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      Oh, you’re so clever, I’ll bet you were a real hoot with all the other philosophical illiterates on reddit. No comment on the concentration camps either. Typical.

      Where did I say do nothing? Organize your labor, learn to use a gun, get to know your local political situation and figures, and get away from thinking about things in terms of Democratic party politics, especially at the national level.

      We are fighting a retreating action at best, but you will find no friends in the halls of national government, to get and stay there you have to be bought and paid for.

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        Where did I say do nothing?

        you will find no friends in the halls of national government

        There you go.

        And by the way, politics isn’t about making friends, it’s about improving the world. But you want every option to be all - a worthy friend - or nothing - no possibility of cooperation. For the sake of Jesus Christ, read Marx’s address to the Communist League and be saved from this sin.

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          See, here’s the problem with that. Marx’s Address to the Communist League clearly is in agreement with my particular political programme. Which, no shit it should, I cribbed it from him.

          There are, in particular, two passages that are extremely important to note and apply to the American context.

          “The relationship of the revolutionary workers’ party to the petty-bourgeois democrats is this: it cooperates with them against the party which they aim to overthrow; it opposes them wherever they wish to secure their own position.”

          This is most likely the passage that you are misinterpreting. To cooperate against the party they wish to overthrow does not apply to the national Democratic party because the national Democratic party does not wish to overthrow the Republican party. They wish to consolidate the gains of the Republican party for big capital. They say this repeatedly. To paraphrase, “America needs a strong Republican party.” - Nancy Pelosi.

          If anything, this address would have us helping the Republicans, as they are the party that is most represented by the American petite-bourgious.This is, of course, a gross misapplication of theory because both parties are inevitably primarily representatives of big capital. We are not in a German 1850’s situation where there is a party that wishes to overthrow the Kaiser, and establish a republic, we are in a situation in which the liberal republic has already been established and centralized.

          To whit,

          “But they themselves must contribute most to their final victory, by informing themselves of their own class interests, by taking up their independent political position as soon as possible, by not allowing themselves to be misled by the hypocritical phrases of the democratic petty bourgeoisie into doubting for one minute the necessity of an independently organized party of the proletariat.”

          This is the penultimate point of the piece and where we reside, which is pretty damn clear, and exactly what I was advocating for in the previous post. I advise you to actually read what you claim to have read in the historical context that it exists in, in order to not misapply it to our historical political situation.

          But you can do whatever you want, it is unlikely that you are actually a member of any party I am a part of.

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          Read *What is to be done?" you obnoxious liberal. What exactly are you out there doing anyway? You’re a supposed anarchist that wants to make the democratic party turn their backs on the corporate bourgeois benefactors that put them and keep them in power? That’s the silliest most feckless thing I’ve read in a minute. If that were a reasonable route for organizing, why has hijacking a bourgeois electoral party to make it into a revolutionary proletariat one never been a strategy any revolutionary organizer you’ve read or read of ever made significant progress with? Through what mechanism do you propose even accomplishing that, the power of Jesus Christ compelling them? You’ve got to be one of the most annoyingly anti materialist goobers I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing on this site. At least chuds are worth posting pig poop balls at. You’re a liberal cosplaying a revolutionary anarchist and you still can’t imagine anything beyond what already exists. For the love of God chatter, join the PSL and develop some goddamn discipline instead of whatever this has been all day.

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            You’ve got to be one of the most annoyingly anti materialist goobers

            you still can’t imagine anything beyond what already exists.

            I can’t imagine anything beyond what exists? Well YOU can’t imagine anything but atoms! Everything’s made of atoms to you: people, governments, even our culture. I can imagine gods! I can imagine plagues! I can imagine worlds beyond this plane. I assure you that between the two of us, YOU are the realist. May your soul be saved.

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            why has hijacking a bourgeois electoral party to make it into a revolutionary proletariat one never been a strategy any revolutionary organizer you’ve read or read of ever made significant progress with?

            Joe Simon did it while Stalin was still sucking Hitler’s dick

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            Where’s your sense of left unity? A few gentle nudges at your implementation of praxis, a bit of debate, and you call me a fake leftist. Dialectics requires good faith debate, but you resort to ad hominem defences as soon as a fellow leftist demonstrates the flaws in your plan to achieve communism. Your sect of leftism will never achieve revolution. You are too hostile to wisdom and unity. You will drive away all of your potential allies, and permit the capitalists to destroy you. So it was in Russia, so it was in Spain. I only pray to our Lord that you do not take us with you. Christ bless you.

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              All I know about you and whatever sect you claim is that you appear to be allergic to reading things in the context that they are written, and for some reason blame Stalin for the Molotov-Ribbentov Pact when it was an agreement among the Bolshevik Party, who did everything they reasonably could to prevent the destruction and death of millions.

              How is it when you have a choice to organize independently, to not vote for the genocide party with no actual physical consequence to yourself, you still balk and say ‘Politics isn’t about making friends.’ but then simultaneously turn around and blame the Bolsheviks for an unhappy political compromise that they were forced into making to prevent the deaths of millions, a political compromise that is likely what ultimately allowed the USSR the time to organize and defeat the Nazis.

              You speak of wisdom and present nothing but mealy-mouth genocide-enabling tripe. As I said before, you have no love of wisdom, you are wisdom illiterate. But go, relive Spain in modern times, blame Stalin for the structural failings of the late USSR, I’m sure that will have any relevance and bearing on a modern leftist political program.

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                I’ll be honest, I read in their comment history that they’re a vegan because God promised the animals to the descendants of Abraham and they aren’t sure if they are or not so they’re vegan, and that’s when I decided to not merit any of these three responses with my own. Not worth it to me to try to crack someone with this level of impenetrable syncretic individualist brain worms into engaging with political reality as it actually exists and actually exercises the global monopoly on violence.

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                  We are given no right to consume animals by virtue of power alone. To believe power entitles one to domination is the ideology of the fascists.