(FYI I’m a confirmed, happily life-long-lapsed catholic as a legal adult, so ban me if you want, but this isn’t just some rando agnostic rant. I’m not the type to make a habit of trolling. it’s just, your organization sucks, and it’s sad there’s so many of you, and it’s sad you choose to clog up our limited server space with your junk, but hey, do your thing, I’m not here to say you shouldn’t be here, I’m just saddened that you catholics exist at all anymore!)
I mean, I don’t really care to have an answer as to why they care- that’s not really the point of my post. if you know why they care and you agree, then, wow! it’s ok you and your generation will all be dead eventually, and the window will shift slowly but surely away from your nonsense as it has for a while now
i wonder how much more time you would have for living like jesus- how much more time you could and would spend helping feed the hungry and housing the homeless, comforting the sick-
i wonder how much more time you would spend doing what you claim is the most important thing in life if you didn’t spend so much time worrying about if other people are being good catholics, and dictating with legislation if other people have to act like good catholics, rather than living by example which - i’m pretty sure - is how you’re supposed to act as a catholic, not by dictating to others that they MUST do the right thing or else they’re a criminal
yikes
anyway, happy solstice, transphobes! your bishops could be like 'make sure you spend extra time this cold holiday season helping the less fortunate among you who need food and shelter, and instead their organization is using its voice to… i dunno, you tell me if spending your holidays gathering signatures for a ballot initiative that dictates biological gender standards for children’s sports competitions sound like radical, unconditional love
does it sound like jesus to teach children to worry about who is better than the others at arbitrary competition? i’ll go ahead- nope, sure doesn’t! sure sounds like that’s just a whole lot of completely inconsequential bullshit compared to oh i dunno people starving, or hey how about starving children? sorry starving children of washington state! these awesome catholics chose to spend some time worrying about dictating who you compete against in shit that totally doesnt matter, instead of using the might and obscene wealth of their organization to systematically make sure every single one of you was well fed. theyre out here latching onto (the wrong side if you consider what they claim to believe) a political wedge issue (as if it benefits them when the population is divided), using their platform as champions of love to help some republican party hacks steal elections with manufactured outrage
y’all are just so embarrassing and somehow you go along like you don’t even know it
also to the ‘oh but im not transphobic-’ nope, shut up. you give this organization money? the catholic church? you’re part of the problem, you’re supporting them. and if you’re not actively changing their stance, then you’re condoning it, plain and simple!
(‘peace and grace’ my ass, you rabble rouser)
EVERYONE ENJOY THE LONGER DAYS!
I guess I didnt make it clear that Im glad anyone of any faith or belief has a place to congregate and discuss and be a part of the greater community here, and that I didn’t post to randomly insult you. Ive said my peace about how I think it’s happy, comfortable, willful cognative dissonence to say what you believe and then act how you do, I think it’s insulting the arrogance with which you treat people who do not believe what you believe, or people who know something different in their heart just as much as you can know anything in yours. My post was because Im tired of people using this radically compassionate figure to justify actions that have nothing to do with loving your neighbors. Im tired of people telling me to follow their faith when theyre not even doing a good job of it themselves. Its downright silly you expect anyone to listen to you, yet you act as if your belief gives you license to act this way. It’s disappointing you think you can get away with claiming to follow jesus and then act the way you do. My relationship with the jesus i was taught exists is just fine, imho you might want to check yours 🤷
If the god you think exists really does, and they are exactly how the catholic faith as you see it describes, I wouldnt want to worship them. If the god as I understand the bible and christianity tries to describe it exists, then the path to salvation (or whatever) is simply by living like jesus. no preaching, no judging, just compassion. there are no other litmus tests for “entering heaven” no oaths or pledges or weekly meetings- if you think anything beyond living a thoughtful life is important then, wow, I guess
anyway, with the trying to describe supporting anti-trans legislation as just “some of the things the church promotes” … yeah, your transphobic organization sucks. enjoy the rest of the holidays
You did not insult me and I am glad you are willing to have this conversation. At the end of it, I think the fundamental difference is there is something you see as being good that we see as being bad. I wouldn’t want you to do something you think is bad, so I understand why you feel the way you do. And I feel like you are comfortable enough with me having the convictions to follow my own conscience. Where we disagree, and where we have room to discuss further, if the conversation was going to continue, is what is moral or immoral about the issues that are the reason we are having this conversation. I will say, however, if you read Scripture, Jesus did preach & judge. It is just a question of who would be subject to that preaching and judgement today.
Nope. I don’t think you understand; there is no conversation to be had.
Imagine youre trying to have a discussion with someone. And then they say “well we know God gave mice magical powers to hold everything down on the Earth and that’s what you call gravity” and no matter what you say, or how much you’re sure that’s probably not true, theyre certain of it, and anything you provide as logic or reason is ignored.
That’s what it’s like talking to you. You’re not interested in being part of the common collective- you’re right, and we’re wrong, and your supposed truth is absolute. That being the case, why on earth would you think I would ever want to try to have a conversation with you? How interested are you in questioning your faith? Oh, perfectly comfortable, because there’s nothing anyone could ever say or do to change what you believe? …see?!
I came here to point out the contradiction in your professed beliefs, and to rage about your religion abusing its protected status as a nongovernmental entity to push transphobic, population dividing legislation. And I guess Im not surprised youre so completely in your own world that you havent taken any of this as an insult, as that’s kind of the whole problem
Anyway seriously im not trying to get banned but, dude, really, I cant walk away with you so seriously misunderstanding just how completely either brainwashed and duped, willfully ignorant, just plain selfish, or combination thereof you are- all catholics are- to be so blindly proud of something so many other people can recognize for what it is. It’s cute until you start telling me my business, and how I should live, and at that point “but my god said” is no longer a cute defense for your quirky behavior; it’s offensive transphobia and you can all go fuck yourselves for thinking “because my super nice and all loving manifestion of love we call god said we should pass these laws” is a valid excuse or reason for literally anything- the rest of us are trying to have a functioning community here and youre hiding behind unconditional love while giving support to hateful legislators pushing population dividing laws
your club sucks, and mostly because of the arrogance with which you conduct your entire thing. No, to reply to what you were trying to say- good and bad arent relative; love is not subjective- hearing stories of jesus as a kid, ignoring political and religious boundaries to point out love is universal helped teach me that! and a bunch of the shit you do in the name of jesus “because the church says so” clearly isnt in the name of love, but you dont really care about that, just obeying your human masters and their contorted, twisted rules, and belonging to your openly transphobic club
Please stop trying to defend- I’m not interested. Supporing transphobic legislation is not unconditional, radical love, and quite the opposite. Any formal organization that does so is shit in my book, period, and has a problem with me when they do it in my neighborhood
You say you don’t want to have a conversation, but your persistence is evidence against this. When addressing the Catholic view of anything, none of it is one-dimensional. We can discuss dogmas, sure, but there are several different competing schools of philosophy, historic analysis, pragmatism, and how these things impact modern culture, science, law, etc. Large swaths of Catholic philosophy do not require Catholic dogma to stand on its own and much of what you don’t like is rooted in philosophy more than it is in dogma.
You don’t want me telling you how to live, that’s fine. I’m not. But you don’t live in a vacuum. People are going to tell you how to live. People are going to make laws for you and they are going to enforce them, like them or not.
If Catholics achieve some level of political power, enough to enact some laws, maybe your best bet is to learn to argue your point with a Catholic. To give you an example on a topic different from the one that brought your concerns here, we have the historic example of St. Thomas Aquinas arguing for the tolerance of prostitution. For someone who wants to not regulate certain internet websites, turning to the example of Aquinas might be a source of argument against internet regulation.
Throwing your hands up in the air and saying Catholics should not have political power is not very pragmatic.
The history of the Church is deep. If you want to argue something about biological males who identify as female participating in sports designated for females, come up with an argument. Just telling us we shouldn’t exist isn’t going to get you anywhere.