Germany's upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat, has introduced a bill seeking to ban the questioning of Israel's right to exist. It is now up to the lower house to decide whether to turn it into law.

Germany’s upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat, has introduced a bill seeking to ban the questioning of Israel’s right to exist. It is now up to the lower house to decide whether to turn it into law.

  • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
    161·
    1 month ago

    You’d think this country could spot a Nazi when they see one, but alas

    • Pip@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      57·
      1 month ago

      Questioning Israel’s right to exist is terrible but doesn’t make somebody a Nazi

      • Steve@communick.newsEnglish
        10·
        1 month ago

        Nations have been invented, erased, and merged countless times throughout history. Claiming nations have a Right to exist, opens a literal world of legal problems.

        China used to be several nations. The Americas used to be thousands. Korea used to be one. So did the USSR. Even the current Israel was only created after WW2 by forcing Palestinians out of their homes.

        So no. Israel can’t have a “Right to Exist”. The world doesn’t work that way, and can’t afford to. People claiming it does, are either ignorant, or trying to justify (in this case, maybe atone for) atrocities.

        • Tango@piefed.caEnglish
          18·
          1 month ago

          Let me ask you a semi-rhetorical question that I assume (and hope) has an obvious answer: do you think the people of Israel should be wiped out?

          Hint: I’m assuming (and hoping) that the obvious answer is “no”.

          To carry out a conversation on this subject, I think it’s important to clarify EXACTLY what is meant, both explicitly and implicitly, by the statement “Israel has no right to exist”.

          • Steve@communick.newsEnglish
            4·
            1 month ago

            People Do have a right to exist.
            Removing people from existence is generally frowned upon. No matter what the name of the place they happen to live in is.

            • Tango@piefed.caEnglish
              17·
              1 month ago

              I’m worried by the fact that your answer didn’t include the simple word “no” (edit: it does NOW, but… you know what I mean), but for now I’m going to assume that you’re being cagey because you think I’m trying to trick you with sophistry. I’m not trying to trick you - I’m trying to establish common ground - we are starting from the same premise of not wanting people to die - so that when my line of thinking at some point diverges from yours, you can see my thinking and hopefully my point. And/or perhaps I’ll understand yours a little better.

              So let’s try another semi-rhetorical question (I say semi-rhetorical because while I hope I can already guess what your answer will be, I also genuinely want to know if my guess is wrong).

              If Israel can be persuaded to stop attacking Palestinians, to stop trying to push Palestinians out of the land they live in, and even return to the 1949 borders as they recognize a full state of Palestine, that would be good, yes? And the comflict would no longer need to continue, yes?