Well, there’s one thing I’d say in favor of Russian imperialism as opposed to Turkish one. Russian imperialism is in most stages not genocidal. Turkish imperialism is genocidal even at its softest.
A-and since Turkey is in NATO, maybe you should look at the stars, breathe, have some tea and think that maybe hating is in general counterproductive. Say, I don’t hate anybody.
You may spend some time thinking about that too. Also s/stages/phases/.
If it’s not clear, I’m personally fine with Russian imperialism - it’s questionable whether Finland or even Poland (yes, its dismemberment by Prussia, Austria and Russia was not cool, but in an alternative timeline it could be just Prussia and Austria) would be independent states today without it, Baltic countries surely wouldn’t (Germans again - all those patriotic Latvians and Estonians hating on Russia kinda forget than “a Latvian” and “an Estonian” were synonyms of “a serf” there for a few centuries, same with parts of Lithuania) and Armenia wouldn’t exist, neither as an independent state nor as a thing, and whatever Georgians may think, they’d be a rustic minority similar to Laz in Turkey in what is now Georgia.
Say, Wales and Scotland are not independent states, Brittany is not an independent state, Catalonia is not an independent state, one can go on about Occitan parts of France (when I was studying French, I also took some interest in Occitan language, it’s not the same at all), Low Saxon parts of Germany, Frisian parts of three countries etc.
I mean, whatever.
TL;DR:
My point was that the Russian empire was pretty European and much less genocidal than other European empires at that.
While your country is likely allied with Turkey, so as an Armenian I could care less of what you think, and also any alliance involving Turkey as a member deserves much more hate than any alliance involving Russia as a member (unless it involves both as members, that is). You can’t just condemn Russia and not condemn Turkey and its every ally, and not become a joke.
You can make it sound smart if you want but to me it just looks like you’re looking for an excuse to not feel bad about the shit russia is doing today.
“Feeling bad” is when there’s an inconsistency in your worldview needing to be resolved.
Say, you consider yourself a good person and tie being a good person to a certain ideology or movement or culture, and then that ideology or movement or culture gets an army and kills lots of people.
Well, I knew something like this war would happen since I was 12 or 13 (I was thinking of some kind of civil war, though ; if not for the Russian military being too ruined and rotten to produce coup leaders etc, this would probably be the reality).
I also knew that a person needs a moral compass and what people like you get from mass media is not a moral compass.
I’ve found moral positions, algorithms to associate only with people who won’t make me “feel bad” by doing something to others. No false positives so far.
Even from those my friends who’d casually spew baboonish pseudopatriotic bullshit not a single person made me ashamed in February 2022.
I see no argumentation in your comment. I’ve literally wrote only obvious things in my comment, which are not point of contention usually (for those of us who are not baboons!).
You just confirmed that you are insanely brainwashed. Like if you actually think like that you really need to get yourself checked. Because Russia is THE genocidal country of the modern world.
I hope you join putlers forces and go to ukraine, because honestly the world is better off without you in this state of mind.
You just confirmed that you are insanely brainwashed.
Oh, wow. You really think this evaluation you just shat out has any weight? This line doesn’t work.
FFS. Some boor possibly speaking no language other than English and living possibly on a different continent calling me brainwashed.
I speak (well, stutter a bit) and read Russian and English, understand Belorussian and Ukrainian (no, these are not as close to Russian as many people think), kinda (not very good, but satisfactory) read French, German and, ahem, Armenian, and with heavy assistance from a dictionary understand texts in Dutch, continental Nordic languages and various Romance languages and obviously Slavic ones.
I also study history through documents and facts, and don’t watch TV at all, and mostly don’t use social networks, at least not to get news.
Now, what we have as you - a person who didn’t even understand the references I made.
Just so you’d know, people with some brains and knowledge who defend Turkey being in NATO do not use moral argumentation, because it fails every fucking time. They use practical argumentation along the lines of “the world being unjust”, Turkey “being a useful ally militarily”, Armenians and Kurds being unimportant or not white enough, “life is tough” and so on.
I can’t possibly be more brainwashed than you.
Because Russia is THE genocidal country of the modern world.
It’s obviously not. Not any more than Turkey or China or even Saudi Arabia. Just all other genocidal countries are useful partners.
You don’t even get the meaning of the word “genocide”. It’s not conquest - conquest means subduing a population, making it obey and work for you. Conquest with war crimes involved is not genocide. Genocide means destruction as the goal in itself, and Russia is not doing that. There are plenty of Ukrainians on Russian-occupied lands, there are no Armenians at all on Azerbaijan-occupied lands. End of story.
I hope you join putlers forces and go to ukraine,
I hope one day to join the forces of the republic of Artsakh.
You really are disgusting. A person who’ve found an indulgence in finding one conflict where his polity supports the “good guys” and behaving as if it nullifies everything else, tabula rasa.
because honestly the world is better off without you in this state of mind.
No, first, in my ideology Russians as the Russian state are not the good guys, while Russian society (like almost any societies) is too complex for such generalizations, second, I’m trying to convince you that real life is not some TV series with one main villain of the episode or one main villain of the season.
The initial comment was treating Russia as if the things the Russian state is doing now were not happening daily in many other parts of the planet.
Well, there’s one thing I’d say in favor of Russian imperialism as opposed to Turkish one. Russian imperialism is in most stages not genocidal. Turkish imperialism is genocidal even at its softest.
A-and since Turkey is in NATO, maybe you should look at the stars, breathe, have some tea and think that maybe hating is in general counterproductive. Say, I don’t hate anybody.
What the fuck did I just read?
You may spend some time thinking about that too. Also s/stages/phases/.
If it’s not clear, I’m personally fine with Russian imperialism - it’s questionable whether Finland or even Poland (yes, its dismemberment by Prussia, Austria and Russia was not cool, but in an alternative timeline it could be just Prussia and Austria) would be independent states today without it, Baltic countries surely wouldn’t (Germans again - all those patriotic Latvians and Estonians hating on Russia kinda forget than “a Latvian” and “an Estonian” were synonyms of “a serf” there for a few centuries, same with parts of Lithuania) and Armenia wouldn’t exist, neither as an independent state nor as a thing, and whatever Georgians may think, they’d be a rustic minority similar to Laz in Turkey in what is now Georgia.
Say, Wales and Scotland are not independent states, Brittany is not an independent state, Catalonia is not an independent state, one can go on about Occitan parts of France (when I was studying French, I also took some interest in Occitan language, it’s not the same at all), Low Saxon parts of Germany, Frisian parts of three countries etc.
I mean, whatever.
TL;DR:
My point was that the Russian empire was pretty European and much less genocidal than other European empires at that.
While your country is likely allied with Turkey, so as an Armenian I could care less of what you think, and also any alliance involving Turkey as a member deserves much more hate than any alliance involving Russia as a member (unless it involves both as members, that is). You can’t just condemn Russia and not condemn Turkey and its every ally, and not become a joke.
Crazy that people actually think like this.
Nothing crazy, I’m just studying things before making an opinion.
You can make it sound smart if you want but to me it just looks like you’re looking for an excuse to not feel bad about the shit russia is doing today.
I wouldn’t anyway. See why:
“Feeling bad” is when there’s an inconsistency in your worldview needing to be resolved.
Say, you consider yourself a good person and tie being a good person to a certain ideology or movement or culture, and then that ideology or movement or culture gets an army and kills lots of people.
Well, I knew something like this war would happen since I was 12 or 13 (I was thinking of some kind of civil war, though ; if not for the Russian military being too ruined and rotten to produce coup leaders etc, this would probably be the reality).
I also knew that a person needs a moral compass and what people like you get from mass media is not a moral compass.
I’ve found moral positions, algorithms to associate only with people who won’t make me “feel bad” by doing something to others. No false positives so far.
Even from those my friends who’d casually spew baboonish pseudopatriotic bullshit not a single person made me ashamed in February 2022.
I see no argumentation in your comment. I’ve literally wrote only obvious things in my comment, which are not point of contention usually (for those of us who are not baboons!).
You just confirmed that you are insanely brainwashed. Like if you actually think like that you really need to get yourself checked. Because Russia is THE genocidal country of the modern world.
I hope you join putlers forces and go to ukraine, because honestly the world is better off without you in this state of mind.
Oh, wow. You really think this evaluation you just shat out has any weight? This line doesn’t work.
FFS. Some boor possibly speaking no language other than English and living possibly on a different continent calling me brainwashed.
I speak (well, stutter a bit) and read Russian and English, understand Belorussian and Ukrainian (no, these are not as close to Russian as many people think), kinda (not very good, but satisfactory) read French, German and, ahem, Armenian, and with heavy assistance from a dictionary understand texts in Dutch, continental Nordic languages and various Romance languages and obviously Slavic ones.
I also study history through documents and facts, and don’t watch TV at all, and mostly don’t use social networks, at least not to get news.
Now, what we have as you - a person who didn’t even understand the references I made.
Just so you’d know, people with some brains and knowledge who defend Turkey being in NATO do not use moral argumentation, because it fails every fucking time. They use practical argumentation along the lines of “the world being unjust”, Turkey “being a useful ally militarily”, Armenians and Kurds being unimportant or not white enough, “life is tough” and so on.
I can’t possibly be more brainwashed than you.
It’s obviously not. Not any more than Turkey or China or even Saudi Arabia. Just all other genocidal countries are useful partners.
You don’t even get the meaning of the word “genocide”. It’s not conquest - conquest means subduing a population, making it obey and work for you. Conquest with war crimes involved is not genocide. Genocide means destruction as the goal in itself, and Russia is not doing that. There are plenty of Ukrainians on Russian-occupied lands, there are no Armenians at all on Azerbaijan-occupied lands. End of story.
I hope one day to join the forces of the republic of Artsakh.
You really are disgusting. A person who’ve found an indulgence in finding one conflict where his polity supports the “good guys” and behaving as if it nullifies everything else, tabula rasa.
Look what’s talking.
I don’t even read what you say, just skimming a couple words tells me you are too far gone.
If you don’t read, then you also shouldn’t comment and make conclusions.
Hey man you are trying to convince me of your stupid ideology that somehow russians are the good guys. Which is just insane.
No, first, in my ideology Russians as the Russian state are not the good guys, while Russian society (like almost any societies) is too complex for such generalizations, second, I’m trying to convince you that real life is not some TV series with one main villain of the episode or one main villain of the season.
The initial comment was treating Russia as if the things the Russian state is doing now were not happening daily in many other parts of the planet.