• Aesthesiaphilia
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    Oh boy, here we go

    As always, drama is fueled by incorrect information and wildly out of context posts. I’m the “chaser” they’re talking about. It was my post.

    Someone literally asked me if I would date a pre-transition trans man or a post-transition trans woman, and I said yes. That’s all. Not a chaser. Just one specific response to one specific question about my personal preferences.

    And I’m a straight cis man and 99% of the women I’ve dated have been straight cis women. Just because statistically that’s how it shakes out. I find it a bit hilarious that I’ve been labeled a chaser by these dummies.

    Original thread: https://kbin.social/m/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone/t/216880/rule#entry-comment-914639

    Then the Mod of 196 made a now removed thread

    A screenshot of that thread was used to start a new thread here: https://kbin.social/m/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone/t/228474/Wtf-is-with-all-the-blatant-transphobia

    • Franzia
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      Ykw I appreciate you clearing this up and saying so. Those defederated losers were using the “unchecked transphobia” and “chasers amuck” rhetoric to distract us from their bullshit. And you, wrongfully, are the victim of their libel.

      It’s valid to have genital attraction preferences. Hell it’s valid to say you’d try it, and it’s valid to talk about trans people but make a logical error.

      Chasers aren’t going to stealthily and intelligently snake around, they will probably double down immediately.

    • Dr. Wesker
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      411 months ago

      What’s a “chaser”?

        • Dr. Wesker
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          211 months ago

          I can understand the fetishizing part, because it suggests objectification. But could the latter part just be a culmination of attraction and preferences?

          • Erika2rsis
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            611 months ago

            More often “cis person primarily trying to get with trans people” is about power, from what I hear. Trans people are disproportionately in positions where they can be easily exploited or abused, e.g. outing someone can be used as blackmail, an abuser could withhold HRT or trash clothes, trans people might not have learned how to date safely as their gender, many trans people are broke and in poor mental health and could easily become reliant on someone, things like that. On top of this, trans people are also often particularly desperate for approval from cis people, because of the extent to which we’re regularly othered by most of society. This creates the idea in a lot of cis men that if they’re unsuccessful with cis women (generally because they’re creeps), that trans women are “easy”. This often mixes with the whole trans fetishization thing, too.

            There are of course a number of other reasons why cis people might find themselves primarily dating trans people, too. Another common and very depressing reason is that the cis person perhaps isn’t actually cis, and really just wants to live vicariously through sy partner’s transition, and maybe “borrowing” a few things from thon, as well. There was a Reddit thread I once read with a full typology of different types of trans chasers, but I can’t find it now. There are men and women chasers, straight and gay chasers, you get the picture.

          • @DudePluto@lemm.ee
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            111 months ago

            I guess potentially, but typically it’s a result of fetishization. I’m not queer though so I’m no authority

      • Aesthesiaphilia
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        311 months ago

        A cishet person who is attracted mostly or exclusively to trans people. Like a chubby chaser.

        • Dr. Wesker
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          511 months ago

          Like a chubby chaser

          I don’t understand. What’s wrong with being attracted to people of a certain body type?

          • kitonthenet
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            811 months ago

            generally people would like to be appreciated or lusted after for their whole self, not any specific attribute, because this kind of behavior can be objectifying.

            • Dr. Wesker
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              I get that. I think it’s always a bit unrealistic, when it comes to the building blocks of attraction, which I think are more often than not initially superficial. I appreciate your answering my question.

              • @LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                I’d describe it by explaining that it’s unhealthy to have a partner that doesn’t like who you want to be. A pre-op trans man is a man. Treating them like a woman during sex would likely make them feel dysphoric. Having a partner that they know wouldn’t be attracted to them if they actually transitioned would just suck. If you identify as a straight man, it would be invalidating of the trans man’s identity to fuck them anyways because you see them as a hot woman.

                On the “chubby chaser” bit, think of it like this. I love fat girls, tummy soft 🥺 however, my girlfriend could lose weight if she wanted to. If she would feel more confident with 100 less pounds, that’s okay because it’s her body and I want her to be happy with her own appearance. If I got with a fat girl who wanted to lose weight and I made her feel bad about it because “then you won’t be hot anymore” that would be kinda shitty right?

                • Dr. Wesker
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                  If I got with a fat girl who wanted to lose weight and I made her feel bad about it because “then you won’t be hot anymore” that would be kinda shitty right?

                  Yes, on the grounds that it would be shitty to intentionally make someone feel bad. However, if after the woman lost weight you felt less physical attraction to her, I would understand. And then it’d be up to you to conclude at that point the importance to you, and if it’s fair to either of you to continue the relationship. Surely there’d be some moral debate if ending a relationship on those grounds is “right”, but that’s really not for anyone else to decide.

                  • @LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    211 months ago

                    Well I’m not saying leaving someone for preferences is bad. It happens. But to enter into a relationship knowing that your preferences wouldn’t work with your partner, that’s shitty.

              • kitonthenet
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                111 months ago

                I would agree with you if relationships (or even sex) were initiated entirely on prurient grounds, but they’re not

                • Dr. Wesker
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                  111 months ago

                  Fair point. I think that’s subjective and likely varies individual to individual. But in that light, I can’t argue with you.

          • CynAq
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            511 months ago

            I agree with you.

            I think if an attraction leads to the objectification of your “type”, it’s problematic regardless of what that type is. If you just have a preference and you handle your interactions with people with the necessary respect everyone deserves, I can’t see a problem with it.

            • Dr. Wesker
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              This makes sense to me. It’s okay for superficial features to be an initial factor of attraction, but as soon as it becomes the focal driving force despite the finer qualities of the individual, it’s problematic. Well, unless the person of focus is okay with and into that dynamic, I suppose.

              Regardless, it makes sense to me.

          • Franzia
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            111 months ago

            You may be naive. Chaser behavior is often only a surface-level symptom of a deeper abusive system. A chaser will usually then reveal dehumanizing beliefs about their partner (victim) before the relationship turns into a more easily identifiable form of domestic abuse.

            A healthy person or couple can have a type, or even a body-type fetish.

      • GarfGirl [she/her]
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        211 months ago

        It’s a term used by trans people for cis men who overly fetishise trans women, often with mysoginistic undertones