Unrest in Los Angeles follows a recent pattern: Protests that break out remain mostly peaceful during the day, but at night agitators engage in fiery clashes with police.
Ah yes fellow liberal, this is our classic dilemma: do I support people who want to destroy the planet, create an ethnostate, take away all my personal liberties, and kill me and all my friends and family and colleagues, or do I support people who are more zealous than I am about changing society in the direction of the values I loudly claim to hold? /s
(It’s not actually a dilemma because liberals always pick the far right.)
Did you actually stop reading at the word “liberal”? Because the actual argument I made was, with only a little bit of sass, that even from a liberal perspective, based on the values that liberals claim to uphold, the far right should be evaluated to be much worse than the far left. And then I remarked that this is not how liberals think because most liberals are two-faced (even if unintentionally so!).
And while there’s a small chance you’re not a liberal…well, you’re walking like a liberal, quacking like a liberal, posting and commenting like a liberal… and we’re on .world, so there’s gonna be lots of liberals here anyways.
That tends to happen when you start namecalling. People stop hearing the things that you actually want to say because the name calling bears more weight.
People stop hearing the things that you actually want to say because the name calling bears more weight.
Yeah those people are never going to listen anyways. Really, namecalling bears more weight than the entirety of an argument, than the reality of the situation? If not namecalling, they’ll make up something, or just admit they never cared.
And while I think that “liberal” should be an insult in 2025, it unfortunately is not.
Yes. Imagine we meet at a train station or something and I say. “Hey, you look like a racist piece of shit, but we’re starting a campaign to end world hunger, would like to hear more about it?”.
Seems pretty unlikely you wanna hear me out more, right?
And we’re on Lemmy. I’m pretty sure " liberal" is a generally acknowledged insult here.
Yes. Imagine we meet at a train station or something and I say. “Hey, you look like a racist piece of shit, but we’re starting a campaign to end world hunger, would like to hear more about it?”.
Yeah but we’re not at a train station. Particularly, we are communicating through text, where you can skim the entire body of the text. Maybe the upcoming text justifies why the author sees me as a racist piece of shit. Maybe I have a blind spot! Or, maybe the author is just a jackass. But now I want to find out.
But like also I think you’re missing the forest for the trees? The point was not to say “you’re a liberal and you should feel bad about it”, it was to critique the point you started with. Namely, the “forest” is that the far right is not morally or materially equivalent to the far right, and to claim otherwise ignores history and the current reality. And I only used the “fellow liberal” framing because liberalism is the default ideology in the Western world, and because it is usually liberals who make points like this. Strike out any usages of the word “liberal” if you really can’t look past this point.
And we’re on Lemmy. I’m pretty sure " liberal" is a generally acknowledged insult here.
I mean we’re on Lemmy.world so I don’t know about that 😆. Lot of liberals around here.
I assume you’ve made a typo and meant to say “the far left morally or materially equivalent to the far right”?
Well first of all, I appreciate this discussion. Second, maybe…?
I for sure can see the pendulum swing the other way. You’ve got a nazi regime now, we bring out the far left, defeat the nazis, the pendulumswings to the other side, but it swings to far and we suddenly find ourselves in a Stalinistic hellscape.
You can call me a liberal for that. I can see why you’d say that, but I disagree since that’s not where we’re at. In reality the left are the freedom fighters now. They’re the good guys. I’m not a realist though, I’m a dreamer. I failed to communicate that in my original post and that is where I fucked up
And thirdly… yeah I think lemmy.world people know you’re trying to insult them when you call them a liberal. I haven’t yet met a lemmy.world person who calls themselves a liberal. It’s like call a Mexican a “bean eater”. No Mexican calls themselves that. It’s only other people who call them that.
Ah yes fellow liberal, this is our classic dilemma: do I support people who want to destroy the planet, create an ethnostate, take away all my personal liberties, and kill me and all my friends and family and colleagues, or do I support people who are more zealous than I am about changing society in the direction of the values I loudly claim to hold? /s
(It’s not actually a dilemma because liberals always pick the far right.)
Great argument. Just call the other a liberal and now you’ve won the discussion. Congratulations
Yeah that’s not what just happened.
Did you actually stop reading at the word “liberal”? Because the actual argument I made was, with only a little bit of sass, that even from a liberal perspective, based on the values that liberals claim to uphold, the far right should be evaluated to be much worse than the far left. And then I remarked that this is not how liberals think because most liberals are two-faced (even if unintentionally so!).
And while there’s a small chance you’re not a liberal…well, you’re walking like a liberal, quacking like a liberal, posting and commenting like a liberal… and we’re on .world, so there’s gonna be lots of liberals here anyways.
That tends to happen when you start namecalling. People stop hearing the things that you actually want to say because the name calling bears more weight.
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Yeah those people are never going to listen anyways. Really, namecalling bears more weight than the entirety of an argument, than the reality of the situation? If not namecalling, they’ll make up something, or just admit they never cared.
And while I think that “liberal” should be an insult in 2025, it unfortunately is not.
Yes. Imagine we meet at a train station or something and I say. “Hey, you look like a racist piece of shit, but we’re starting a campaign to end world hunger, would like to hear more about it?”.
Seems pretty unlikely you wanna hear me out more, right?
And we’re on Lemmy. I’m pretty sure " liberal" is a generally acknowledged insult here.
Yeah but we’re not at a train station. Particularly, we are communicating through text, where you can skim the entire body of the text. Maybe the upcoming text justifies why the author sees me as a racist piece of shit. Maybe I have a blind spot! Or, maybe the author is just a jackass. But now I want to find out.
But like also I think you’re missing the forest for the trees? The point was not to say “you’re a liberal and you should feel bad about it”, it was to critique the point you started with. Namely, the “forest” is that the far right is not morally or materially equivalent to the far right, and to claim otherwise ignores history and the current reality. And I only used the “fellow liberal” framing because liberalism is the default ideology in the Western world, and because it is usually liberals who make points like this. Strike out any usages of the word “liberal” if you really can’t look past this point.
I mean we’re on Lemmy.world so I don’t know about that 😆. Lot of liberals around here.
I assume you’ve made a typo and meant to say “the far left morally or materially equivalent to the far right”?
Well first of all, I appreciate this discussion. Second, maybe…?
I for sure can see the pendulum swing the other way. You’ve got a nazi regime now, we bring out the far left, defeat the nazis, the pendulumswings to the other side, but it swings to far and we suddenly find ourselves in a Stalinistic hellscape.
You can call me a liberal for that. I can see why you’d say that, but I disagree since that’s not where we’re at. In reality the left are the freedom fighters now. They’re the good guys. I’m not a realist though, I’m a dreamer. I failed to communicate that in my original post and that is where I fucked up
And thirdly… yeah I think lemmy.world people know you’re trying to insult them when you call them a liberal. I haven’t yet met a lemmy.world person who calls themselves a liberal. It’s like call a Mexican a “bean eater”. No Mexican calls themselves that. It’s only other people who call them that.