• @duviobaz@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      711 months ago

      Those people are not considered communists by actual communists. Actual communists are in favor of NATO.

      • PugJesusOP
        link
        fedilink
        1811 months ago

        Actual communists are in favor of NATO.

        Wouldn’t go that far. Actual communists may not be as reflexively “West Bad” as tankies, but generally have a negative view of Western-led international initiatives like NATO.

        • @duviobaz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          1111 months ago

          I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can’t bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that.

            • @orrk@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              811 months ago

              wait, you think it’s wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist?

              brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it’s progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I’m not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren’t communist

              • @Fawxhox@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                111 months ago

                You didn’t answer my question. Besides to say it’s authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism

                • @orrk@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  211 months ago

                  not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the “everything that calls its self X is X” game?

                  by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people’s REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people’s REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc…

                  or do we describe things based on what they act like?

          • @mulcahey@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            111 months ago

            Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a “full blown communist,” support?

            You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose.

      • @SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        911 months ago

        And the name we designate these “communists” are tankies or MLs (Marxist-Lenninists). They are only communist in name and believe in authoritarian ideals like what is happening in China or Russia.