• 52fighters
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    4 days ago

    Most of this tariff business is about economics but I feel like that’s just not true with China. There’s too many people saying there’s going to be a real war break out in 2027 or 2028 and that American firms need to decouple from China. It might just be that the US government needs to give them a hard push to make that happen. Being dependent on China during the opening days of war would be devastating for many US firms.

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      There’s too many people saying there’s going to be a real war break out in 2027 or 2028 and that American firms need to decouple from China.

      Very high risk of war when trade breaks down. As in 1930s. Israel/Philippines annihilation, Panama, Columbia could all be on the table. Korea reunification under best Korea. Taiwan just needs to be blockaded from flights east. Japan needs to be careful too. All of Asia have natural alliance opportunities, but US corruption forces are strong, even when Trump threatens to abandon all allies.

      War can be avoided with similar independence/respect to today. But greater subservience to US is the danger, no matter how illogical it is for rulerships to choose that path.

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        All that said, the people of South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, and others are anxiously seeking a sign from the US that our military will come to their aid when attacked. Even Vietnam wishes to use the US to balance Chinese power in the east. When China has so many fearful neighbors, that’s a sign there’s a serious problem with China.

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          When China has so many fearful neighbors, that’s a sign there’s a serious problem with China.

          The fearful neighbors:

          Source: nytimes

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            Exactly. And they want the US to expand military presence. Their fear of China is greater than the number of dots on that map.

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              how? Your theory of “Their fear of China is greater” and it’s a result of that falls as soon as we take into account the history of US being present in those countries even before china became powerful. It was US who expanded in those places even before PRC was a thing and china was fragmented, weak, occupied.

              Philippines: U.S. Colonial Period: the United States ruled the Philippines from 1898 to 1946, The Philippines was under American civil and military governance.

              south korea: after world war two the divide of korea and US occupation of south korea militarily which is still present

              japan: similar story as south korea

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          When China has so many fearful neighbors, that’s a sign there’s a serious problem with China.

          Or jus a sign of massive US empire extortion/bribery. US funds terrorism all across the belt and road initiative. US navy can be easily wiped out. Just because media/political consumers are stupid, doesn’t mean rulers are.

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            It’s not an at American influence, come on now.

            You have The Chinese telling all of their neighbors in the S.C. sea that they own it, trying push the Philippines back, trying to push the Vietnamese back.

            Also, the US Navy is no joke, don’t play. The Chinese armed forces could likely beat the US Asian fleet, but it would be costly - nowhere nearly “easy”. Primarily the Chinese advantage is volume of material and simpler supply lines. The tech is near equal, with the Chinese being on newer airframes, but the Americans having significantly more proven tech and procedures, especially in the Navy. Taking on the Amer cans would not be like using water cannons on the Philippines boats, or hatchets in the Himilayas.

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              nowhere nearly “easy”

              nuclear strikes on a carrier fleet are an easy way to sink them. No civilian casualties. War doesn’t have to be a fuck around process.

              You have The Chinese telling all of their neighbors in the S.C. sea that they own it, trying push the Philippines back, trying to push the Vietnamese back.

              There’s room for compromise on a greater cooperation agreement, especially with Vietnam. Philippines deserve destruction or overthrow of their corrupt US puppet.

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                Only a feeble-minded person could believe that anyone could confidently use nuclear weapons against the United States and not face equal retaliation. The people would demand it.

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                  Interesting theory that people would demand doomsday for some ships getting sunk. That people cannot accept the end of their empire’s military projection. The US should then preemptively use nukes, with popular support, in any war they will fail in. Guarantee you that there will be no referendum on retaliation, only the usual media militantism and tyranny.

                  The MAD doctrine only gets invoked at the sight of several incoming missiles on territory. It is your response to navy being sunk that causes MAD.

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                  And every major population in the U.S. would be annihilated in return. If China decided to nuke their own coast, America would either do nothing about it or come to a swift and total end.

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                    Which is why your projection about nuclear weapons is just stupid. It ain’t happening.