Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
You can’t maintain a population like that without birth restrictions, slaughter, or restricting resources. And this is humanity we’re talking about. The ruling class/ethnicity will prioritize their own making genocide an all but certain outcome.
I already covered that. Trying to keep people from reproducing on a national scale doesn’t work without draconian policing of people’s lives, sterilization, etc.
I think you’re intentionally missing the point. Yeah, condoms are fine. The government mandating when you can and cannot use condoms in order to enforce an arbitrary population number is not as fine.
No, you’re being obtuse. The scenario is a post end of days revival from nothing. Why or how would the government practice sterilization or forced restriction of labor when there isn’t a continuation of current government at all? Its for rebuilding. Creating a new culture. One where you can prioritize education on our balance with nature and the importance to sustain balance.
If your only solution to a problem is the government has to force people to comply, you aren’t really looking for solutions, you’re just trying to shut town the people who are.
It’s not the mechanic and that you’re focusing on that tells me you aren’t reading. Choosing who gets to breed is a huge vector for abuse and genocide.
Yeah, but the other option is humanity grows to reach an industrial carrying capacity which would be horrific for the environment, and people. The average person would live at the poverty level of a medieval peasant in the polluted environment of industrial slums. There would also be mass famines every couple decades like back under the agricultural carrying capacity, but these would kill billions instead of hundreds of thousands. Mandatory birth control sucks but it beats the suffering caused by rampant population growth.
Yes. This is what happens with human societies without technology. This also happens in animal populations. As we are seeing now, when a society reaches a certain level of technology and medical care that ensures a very high infant survival rate, population growth tapers off and can stagnate. That’s the way you prevent overpopulation.
The idea we can restrict breeding when we’ve regressed in technology is just a way to ensure genocide through sterilization, killing infants, punishing parents, and the other ways we’ve seen humans try this very thing. It doesn’t work and leads to ethnic cleansing and terrible abuse by the elite classes. It’s like suggesting we use eugenics: it doesn’t work.
To be fair, the reason we haven’t overpopulated the shit out of the planet is because we lack the time and resources to raise kids. In the event that people had enough time and money to raise families, we’d probably cross replacement rates once more.
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You can’t maintain a population like that without birth restrictions, slaughter, or restricting resources. And this is humanity we’re talking about. The ruling class/ethnicity will prioritize their own making genocide an all but certain outcome.
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I already covered that. Trying to keep people from reproducing on a national scale doesn’t work without draconian policing of people’s lives, sterilization, etc.
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I think you’re intentionally missing the point. Yeah, condoms are fine. The government mandating when you can and cannot use condoms in order to enforce an arbitrary population number is not as fine.
No, you’re being obtuse. The scenario is a post end of days revival from nothing. Why or how would the government practice sterilization or forced restriction of labor when there isn’t a continuation of current government at all? Its for rebuilding. Creating a new culture. One where you can prioritize education on our balance with nature and the importance to sustain balance.
If your only solution to a problem is the government has to force people to comply, you aren’t really looking for solutions, you’re just trying to shut town the people who are.
Sure, fuck it. Condoms are draconian. You’re not clearly worth the effort.
It’s not the mechanic and that you’re focusing on that tells me you aren’t reading. Choosing who gets to breed is a huge vector for abuse and genocide.
People fuck.
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Yeah, but the other option is humanity grows to reach an industrial carrying capacity which would be horrific for the environment, and people. The average person would live at the poverty level of a medieval peasant in the polluted environment of industrial slums. There would also be mass famines every couple decades like back under the agricultural carrying capacity, but these would kill billions instead of hundreds of thousands. Mandatory birth control sucks but it beats the suffering caused by rampant population growth.
Yes. This is what happens with human societies without technology. This also happens in animal populations. As we are seeing now, when a society reaches a certain level of technology and medical care that ensures a very high infant survival rate, population growth tapers off and can stagnate. That’s the way you prevent overpopulation.
The idea we can restrict breeding when we’ve regressed in technology is just a way to ensure genocide through sterilization, killing infants, punishing parents, and the other ways we’ve seen humans try this very thing. It doesn’t work and leads to ethnic cleansing and terrible abuse by the elite classes. It’s like suggesting we use eugenics: it doesn’t work.
To be fair, the reason we haven’t overpopulated the shit out of the planet is because we lack the time and resources to raise kids. In the event that people had enough time and money to raise families, we’d probably cross replacement rates once more.
News Flash : we already have overpopulated the shit out of the planet.
Not if we try to live sustainably, which we don’t.