Bruh. It’s not an echo chamber to filter out literal Nazis and other stuff. Ain’t nobody changing their mind from “spirited” internet debate and I don’t need their garbage in my day.
Then you are missing the point because there are tons of people who disagree with you who aren’t Nazis. OP is talking about how it’s great how you can only talk with people you agree with.
It has been awhile, but there were some Lemmy instances that people made to discuss Alt-Right viewpoints. They are all defederated now, but they caused quite the stir back in the day. Look it up. Here’s a start:
So, granted that there are not really (self-proclaimed neo-) Nazis here now, but this is still a fairly recent series of events in the shared consciousness of Lemmings. Also, fascism is alive and well world-wide, and on Lemmy very much in the open and in the here and now.
It seems that Discuss.Online keeps archival copies of such older messages rather than delete them after a defederation action. Try viewing them on that instance.
On a separate matter, this is a brand-new message that for that and perhaps other reasons I doubt you’ve seen but that you may be very interested to know about: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6127949/5423163. The post itself is talking about the upcoming defederation between jlai.lu and lemmygrad.ml, which I’m sure you know about, but what I wanted to call your attention to is in the OP’s comment where they immediately start talking about a method to use a 2nd account or some other method to bypass that defederation attempt. They also float an idea to change the Lemmy sourcecode so that admins can no longer control which instances their users can access - this seems like an enormous security issue to me though (e.g. CSAM and other outright violent rhetoric that could get someone in trouble if it were on their machines).
Anyway no matter how you slice it, it is uh… “interesting”. The more of such discussions I see, the more glad I am that I switched to PieFed that does not depend upon the Lemmy sourcecode at all - even though Discuss.Online was great.
You are replying to a comment thread that is about blocking Nazis, it’s completely disingenuous to act like that’s not a legit problem and that anyone is talking about anything other than actual fucking Nazis. They are real. No one said everyone they disagree with is a Nazi because that’s fucking stupid.
No, OPs point was that they can block people they disagree, with the person above in this thread brought up Nazis when people pointed out how toxic that behaviour is in creating filter bubbles.
I.e. they brought up an extreme example at one end of the spectrum to make a point when we were discussing the spectrum more broadly
For example, the liberals endorsing genocide for realpolitik aren’t fascists, they’re just doing what American liberals have done since the founding of liberalism as an ideology.
I disagree with them but don’t call them Nazis and don’t think their opinions on other things shouldn’t be heard.
There are many that were defederated many months ago that aren’t even the common ones discussed. I forget some of their names but you can review the defed lists. They are beyond the pale, open open racism, calls for open violence, CP, etc. I’m not talking about some double speak, bad policy maga stuff, I’m talking about cartoons showing minorities as animals, cartoons of lynchings, etc.
Fwiw, I see only 9 upvotes but 0 downvotes from PieFed.social. Meaning that your 2 downvotes must come from an instance that is defederated from by PieFed.social - likely hexbear.net if I had to guess. That is one of the downsides to not defederating from such places - you get to see and vote on a wider array of content, but they get to do the same to you as well, and unlike you, they may have their own priorities about how to treat such matters. e.g. I don’t think I’ve ever downvoted anything at all from my current account (except once accidentally, easily remedied!:-), and if the situation came up I would rather explain my disapproval rather than merely downvoting… but they may do things differently, hiding behind the relative anonymity of a vote to try to silence / lessen the reach of your POV.
I was speaking to the general practice of filtering in response to the echo chamber generalization, not the original post calling out instances. Personally I filter out porn instances because that’s not what I’m here for. The nice thing about the app I use is that I don’t see any posts from those instances but I can choose to see comments because people interacting on the posts I see are generally there for random reasons and are reacting instead of posting their whatever.
Bruh. It’s not an echo chamber to filter out literal Nazis and other stuff. Ain’t nobody changing their mind from “spirited” internet debate and I don’t need their garbage in my day.
If you really mean “literal Nazis”, that tends to support the hypothesis that you’re not being exposed to much that contradicts your worldview.
Tell me more about how you must listen to literal Nazis on a daily basis to contradict your worldview.
And if you don’t think Lemmy has or has had to deal with literal Nazis:
Lol
You are referring to literally everyone you disagree with as a Nazi. You are an example of someone who lives in a toxic filter bubble.
No, I don’t. When I call people Nazis and fascists it’s because I know what both of those words mean, being literate.
Then you are missing the point because there are tons of people who disagree with you who aren’t Nazis. OP is talking about how it’s great how you can only talk with people you agree with.
It has been awhile, but there were some Lemmy instances that people made to discuss Alt-Right viewpoints. They are all defederated now, but they caused quite the stir back in the day. Look it up. Here’s a start:
So, granted that there are not really (self-proclaimed neo-) Nazis here now, but this is still a fairly recent series of events in the shared consciousness of Lemmings. Also, fascism is alive and well world-wide, and on Lemmy very much in the open and in the here and now.
FYI, a few of those links are dead
It seems that Discuss.Online keeps archival copies of such older messages rather than delete them after a defederation action. Try viewing them on that instance.
On a separate matter, this is a brand-new message that for that and perhaps other reasons I doubt you’ve seen but that you may be very interested to know about: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6127949/5423163. The post itself is talking about the upcoming defederation between jlai.lu and lemmygrad.ml, which I’m sure you know about, but what I wanted to call your attention to is in the OP’s comment where they immediately start talking about a method to use a 2nd account or some other method to bypass that defederation attempt. They also float an idea to change the Lemmy sourcecode so that admins can no longer control which instances their users can access - this seems like an enormous security issue to me though (e.g. CSAM and other outright violent rhetoric that could get someone in trouble if it were on their machines).
Anyway no matter how you slice it, it is uh… “interesting”. The more of such discussions I see, the more glad I am that I switched to PieFed that does not depend upon the Lemmy sourcecode at all - even though Discuss.Online was great.
You are replying to a comment thread that is about blocking Nazis, it’s completely disingenuous to act like that’s not a legit problem and that anyone is talking about anything other than actual fucking Nazis. They are real. No one said everyone they disagree with is a Nazi because that’s fucking stupid.
No, OPs point was that they can block people they disagree, with the person above in this thread brought up Nazis when people pointed out how toxic that behaviour is in creating filter bubbles.
I.e. they brought up an extreme example at one end of the spectrum to make a point when we were discussing the spectrum more broadly
No shit, genius.
For example, the liberals endorsing genocide for realpolitik aren’t fascists, they’re just doing what American liberals have done since the founding of liberalism as an ideology.
I disagree with them but don’t call them Nazis and don’t think their opinions on other things shouldn’t be heard.
What instance is “literal Nazis”?
There are many that were defederated many months ago that aren’t even the common ones discussed. I forget some of their names but you can review the defed lists. They are beyond the pale, open open racism, calls for open violence, CP, etc. I’m not talking about some double speak, bad policy maga stuff, I’m talking about cartoons showing minorities as animals, cartoons of lynchings, etc.
The fediverse is a big place.
Edit who the fuck downvotes this
Fwiw, I see only 9 upvotes but 0 downvotes from PieFed.social. Meaning that your 2 downvotes must come from an instance that is defederated from by PieFed.social - likely hexbear.net if I had to guess. That is one of the downsides to not defederating from such places - you get to see and vote on a wider array of content, but they get to do the same to you as well, and unlike you, they may have their own priorities about how to treat such matters. e.g. I don’t think I’ve ever downvoted anything at all from my current account (except once accidentally, easily remedied!:-), and if the situation came up I would rather explain my disapproval rather than merely downvoting… but they may do things differently, hiding behind the relative anonymity of a vote to try to silence / lessen the reach of your POV.
So it goes. My question was more rhetorical. If someone takes issue with my identifying some instances that have that content, fuck em.
I was speaking to the general practice of filtering in response to the echo chamber generalization, not the original post calling out instances. Personally I filter out porn instances because that’s not what I’m here for. The nice thing about the app I use is that I don’t see any posts from those instances but I can choose to see comments because people interacting on the posts I see are generally there for random reasons and are reacting instead of posting their whatever.