• Tedesche
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      22 days ago

      No, that’s not an example of male privilege, period.

      • @PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
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        022 hours ago

        The bar is on the floor for men, and unreasonably high for women.
        Women put some of those restrictions on each other, but largely as a byproduct of the society they were raised in.

        It’s a privilege in the same way that having a shoulder to cry on is a female privilege.

        If you’re going to try to argue that society doesn’t push people into certain roles or to think in certain ways, or that men aren’t also involved in creating the parts of society that determine roles for women, then I don’t think we can have a meaningful exchange.

        • Tedesche
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          220 hours ago

          It’s a privilege in the same way that having a shoulder to cry on is a female privilege.

          I don’t consider that female privilege. I think we just have different definitions for what privilege is or more likely where we draw the line. To me, privilege is something more concrete and impactful, like men being trusted more in leadership roles or women being more trusted around kids.

          • But they’re related. They’re different facets of the same thing: the roles and expectations that society forces people into.

            Setting aside what you do and don’t think is impactful, the point is that these are expectations that society puts on people, and where these expectations come from is complex. Have you ever heard of the Five Whys? It can be a helpful way to look at these problems; it can’t capture the complexity but it illustrates that the causes run deep.

            For example, there are some pretty easily accessible YouTube videos (podcasts?) on the history of the women’s fashion and cosmetics industries, and how they pivoted their marketing to great effect to sell products to women by pressing these kinds of expectations into society, and those marketing teams contain a lot of men. This doesn’t explain all of history, but it’s an example of what I’m talking about.

            And always remember; hurt people hurt people.

            • Tedesche
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              134 minutes ago

              Yeah, I understand all of that, I just don’t think we should be using the term “privilege” for every little echo of history. Are men’s pockets a form of privilege? Women are privileged to have more variety of tops? At a certain point, the term loses all meaning.