I mean, it’s both. Republicans are driven away from Trump because he’s obviously a grifter to anyone with a room temperature IQ, but also leftists don’t have any other option but the center-right Democrats. If we had a healthy spread of parties (enabled by ranked choice voting and the abolition of the electoral college) there is no way you’d see the Cheneys voting in the same bloc with anyone even remotely left.
Bernie and AOC being given a speaker slot at the convention is a radical shift from where leftists were 8 years ago. The idea that the Democrats are moving right while we have declared socialists presenting front and center is a significant misunderstanding of the last 30+ years of political discourse in this country.
Bernie and AOC are progressives, sure, but the Dems as a monolith are objectively not leftist in the slightest. They’re just more left than the Republicans. Even if they have moved left, they’re still center-right by any reasonable metric. Note that I said nothing about the direction they’re moving.
💯 and really, everyone here and even @jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org deserve a victory lap. Kicking, and screaming and against Thur own will, we’re making the Democratic party a party of the left as we pry it from the cold goulish fingers The Neocon/Neolib order.
Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, Sunset movement, Wolf pack, many others. We’ve moved the needle. But also, we’re super disorganized. Under Trump, we were good damned militant. Fucking lit af. Biden was a relief valve we all desperately needed but it also reduced the impetus the pressure to respond the stress. Leftist originating complexly collapsed under Biden.
It’s the wartime castilione vs peace time contradiction. Frankly I think the insurgent left is far more effective in the outside power scenario, but wowo we need to learn to not eat our own. I look at how often here, truly significant and honest posters are implied to be bots or paid shills or whatever. Look how fucking united leftist media was in 2020 and look how fractuous it is under peace time conditions. TYT members hate MR members. Everyone’s shitting on everyone and accusing them of being shills. I often think about what Micheal Brooks would think of the state of leftist media.
The reality is that leftists need to find a way to work together or more centrist elements will find wling partners on the right. Save this post and mark my words, they are counting on being able to frog March the DNC to the right. And the DNC leadership wants this. Look at that last night of the convention. It was basically a Republican micro convention.
For sure, but also it might be an indication of how much we’re leaving on the table.
Would Cheney endorse a M4A candidate?
Would Cheney endorse an arms embargo on Israel candidate?
What’s the line? How much more could we be going for here?
Realistically Cheney is bringing us effectively 0 voters, maybe even negative a few. So if it’s these steps to the right Harris keeps making that give us Cheney with no ec votes, show me the value.
What a weird take. This is indicative of how awful Trump is.
I mean, it’s both. Republicans are driven away from Trump because he’s obviously a grifter to anyone with a room temperature IQ, but also leftists don’t have any other option but the center-right Democrats. If we had a healthy spread of parties (enabled by ranked choice voting and the abolition of the electoral college) there is no way you’d see the Cheneys voting in the same bloc with anyone even remotely left.
Bernie and AOC being given a speaker slot at the convention is a radical shift from where leftists were 8 years ago. The idea that the Democrats are moving right while we have declared socialists presenting front and center is a significant misunderstanding of the last 30+ years of political discourse in this country.
Bernie and AOC are progressives, sure, but the Dems as a monolith are objectively not leftist in the slightest. They’re just more left than the Republicans. Even if they have moved left, they’re still center-right by any reasonable metric. Note that I said nothing about the direction they’re moving.
💯 and really, everyone here and even @jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org deserve a victory lap. Kicking, and screaming and against Thur own will, we’re making the Democratic party a party of the left as we pry it from the cold goulish fingers The Neocon/Neolib order.
Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, Sunset movement, Wolf pack, many others. We’ve moved the needle. But also, we’re super disorganized. Under Trump, we were good damned militant. Fucking lit af. Biden was a relief valve we all desperately needed but it also reduced the impetus the pressure to respond the stress. Leftist originating complexly collapsed under Biden.
It’s the wartime castilione vs peace time contradiction. Frankly I think the insurgent left is far more effective in the outside power scenario, but wowo we need to learn to not eat our own. I look at how often here, truly significant and honest posters are implied to be bots or paid shills or whatever. Look how fucking united leftist media was in 2020 and look how fractuous it is under peace time conditions. TYT members hate MR members. Everyone’s shitting on everyone and accusing them of being shills. I often think about what Micheal Brooks would think of the state of leftist media.
The reality is that leftists need to find a way to work together or more centrist elements will find wling partners on the right. Save this post and mark my words, they are counting on being able to frog March the DNC to the right. And the DNC leadership wants this. Look at that last night of the convention. It was basically a Republican micro convention.
Call me when there’s evidence of Harris executing on policy recommended by those two (and others) not sprinting to the “center.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/23/briefing/kamala-harris-convention-speech.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4852729-harris-issues-center-shifted/
Until then it’s platitudes.
For sure, but also it might be an indication of how much we’re leaving on the table.
Would Cheney endorse a M4A candidate?
Would Cheney endorse an arms embargo on Israel candidate?
What’s the line? How much more could we be going for here?
Realistically Cheney is bringing us effectively 0 voters, maybe even negative a few. So if it’s these steps to the right Harris keeps making that give us Cheney with no ec votes, show me the value.