If an organization runs a survey in 2024 on whether it should get into AI, then they’ve already bodged an LLM into the system and they’re seeing if they can get away with it. Proton Mail is a priva…
we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self
that’s…extremely off the beaten path, and incredibly very not how most people use / experience email
for the viewers at home: treat this as extremely niche through outright bad advice to follow if you ever want to try set up your own mail
(e: there are more than a few parts of it that are also laughably insufficient for what it aims to do, but this isn’t the place and it’s saturday on top; free tech support comes on other days)
No I haven’t, I just self host for myself only. I don’t want to be a poser, so I’ll swallow my pride and can I ask you how I can improve as a mail admin?
you’re the type of reply guy who rattles off man page names when you’re out of your depth, and you’re reply guying about administrating email to people who professionally administrate email
I don’t expect you to have caught onto that last bit, mainly because you never fucking shut up long enough to catch onto anything at all
I take immense offense at this utterly spurious insult! I only unprofessionally administer email these days, having managed to get the fuck out of having to do anyone else’s mail for money :D
there is a(n early career) period of my CV that literally has “mailserver administrator” as the job title/description, though
it was kinda lol. apparently the guy who had the gig before me worked real, real hard (down to sometimes sleeping in the server room). I automated much of the role out with mairix, par2, a couple of extremely nasty shellscripts, and a bit of common sense. got pretty bored from month 4, and left a while after
let me repeat something i wrote in another thread: bringing up the smtp daemon in basic configuration (and, by the way, my preferred one is exim) is trivial. managing working and usable mail service is not.
it’s a process! you need to reserve time for that! you need to understand basic networking, you need to intimately know how dns works. you need to know how to use swaks. you need to know your RFCs, and the subtle breakages of the protocol that you need to introduce in order to reduce the amount of spam you’re receiving. you need to understand why everything that SPF promises is a lie, but you’ll be using it anyway. you need to know how DKIM works, and what is the true meaning of DMARC. you will learn that google wants you to use experimental features in order to be able to deliver your fucking mail to them. you need to understand that the anti-spam blacklists are managed by fucking racketeers, and that you can’t avoid them. you need to understand the difference between sending mail and receiving it, and why a correctly configured MX record does absolutely nothing to improve the ability to deliver remote mail. you need to have time to deal with petty tyrants on a mission, and with oblivious bureaucracy of large providers, and learn to be happy if you can reach a human person on the other side at all.
you need to understand why everything that SPF promises is a lie, but you’ll be using it anyway
fuckin’ mood
and that’s just the SMTP part.
hi can I interest you in a serving of “you have 5 OSs and 25+ different versions of OS variants and even more client apps, please make autodiscovery work with” to go with that? no? how about a bit of caldav and carddav?
Thank you for the informative response. My mail goes through to gmail protonmail and others without issue, so maybe opensmtpd has these experimental features baked in. I haven’t gotten any spam yet (in years, for some reason), so I haven’t configured anything in spamd at the moment; I almost wish I could get spammers to attack my server so I could actually learn how to properly block them.
that’s…extremely off the beaten path, and incredibly very not how most people use / experience email
for the viewers at home: treat this as extremely niche through outright bad advice to follow if you ever want to try set up your own mail
(e: there are more than a few parts of it that are also laughably insufficient for what it aims to do, but this isn’t the place and it’s saturday on top; free tech support comes on other days)
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oh my fucking god
you have defnitely never been the guy on the hook professionally for email working
No I haven’t, I just self host for myself only. I don’t want to be a poser, so I’ll swallow my pride and can I ask you how I can improve as a mail admin?
just stop posting
I’ll eat as many downvotes as I’d like, though I don’t really know what I said that attracted so much ire.
you’re the type of reply guy who rattles off man page names when you’re out of your depth, and you’re reply guying about administrating email to people who professionally administrate email
I don’t expect you to have caught onto that last bit, mainly because you never fucking shut up long enough to catch onto anything at all
I take immense offense at this utterly spurious insult! I only unprofessionally administer email these days, having managed to get the fuck out of having to do anyone else’s mail for money :D
there is a(n early career) period of my CV that literally has “mailserver administrator” as the job title/description, though
it was kinda lol. apparently the guy who had the gig before me worked real, real hard (down to sometimes sleeping in the server room). I automated much of the role out with mairix, par2, a couple of extremely nasty shellscripts, and a bit of common sense. got pretty bored from month 4, and left a while after
Sorry, I know less than I thought I knew. Care to provide some better resources?
let me repeat something i wrote in another thread: bringing up the smtp daemon in basic configuration (and, by the way, my preferred one is exim) is trivial. managing working and usable mail service is not.
it’s a process! you need to reserve time for that! you need to understand basic networking, you need to intimately know how dns works. you need to know how to use swaks. you need to know your RFCs, and the subtle breakages of the protocol that you need to introduce in order to reduce the amount of spam you’re receiving. you need to understand why everything that SPF promises is a lie, but you’ll be using it anyway. you need to know how DKIM works, and what is the true meaning of DMARC. you will learn that google wants you to use experimental features in order to be able to deliver your fucking mail to them. you need to understand that the anti-spam blacklists are managed by fucking racketeers, and that you can’t avoid them. you need to understand the difference between sending mail and receiving it, and why a correctly configured MX record does absolutely nothing to improve the ability to deliver remote mail. you need to have time to deal with petty tyrants on a mission, and with oblivious bureaucracy of large providers, and learn to be happy if you can reach a human person on the other side at all.
and that’s just the SMTP part.
fuckin’ mood
hi can I interest you in a serving of “you have 5 OSs and 25+ different versions of OS variants and even more client apps, please make autodiscovery work with” to go with that? no? how about a bit of caldav and carddav?
Thank you for the informative response. My mail goes through to gmail protonmail and others without issue, so maybe opensmtpd has these experimental features baked in. I haven’t gotten any spam yet (in years, for some reason), so I haven’t configured anything in spamd at the moment; I almost wish I could get spammers to attack my server so I could actually learn how to properly block them.