• @absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    -204 months ago

    Why does it matter that the guy was black?

    How about something like:

    Hotel guards kill father of two, holding him down while he cries for help.

      • @absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        -154 months ago

        I’m not trolling, I read the article and a few things stood out.

        This guy has two kids, I have 3 at similar ages, he has a family that loved him. The article states he had some mental health issues, but doesn’t go into how severe (I assume low level, otherwise it would have stated it). It says that he was unarmed, you know what American gun culture fucks up to many things for you, this shouldn’t even be a point of note.

        The least interesting thing about a murder victim should be their race. Would it make any difference if he was Chinese, Indian or Samoan? A man was killed, his kids will miss him, is family will morn him.

        As for

        You know exactly why it matters.

        I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

        • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          54 months ago

          I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

          There’s a pattern of disproportionate use of force against black folks by police in the US. I’m not going to argue with you about that fact. You either know it’s true, or will not be swayed by any evidence I present anyhow. And when police kill someone who may be yet another example of this, it matters and is worth including.

        • Todd Bonzalez
          link
          fedilink
          44 months ago

          I’m not trolling

          Oh, so you’re unpolitically racist. That’s worse, but okay.

          • @absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            -94 months ago

            I know I shouldn’t engage.

            But how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred. I don’t find murder a political issue.

            Why do you think murder is political?

            • Todd Bonzalez
              link
              fedilink
              54 months ago

              how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred.

              Is that actually what you think the disagreement is about? Be honest now, is this really what you think you’re being criticized for? Being concerned about murder?

              You dismissed the relevance that a white security guard killed an unarmed black suspect, in an era where armed white men regularly killed unarmed black men with impunity.

              I don’t find murder a political issue. Why do you think murder is political?

              This is a weird response. I never said anything was “political”, I said that your rigid insistence on colorblindness in the case of a white armed security guard restraining and killing an unarmed black man is inherently racist because you seek to invalidate any claim of racial bias despite plenty of evidence that these situations are heavily influenced by racial bias.

              You’re asking people to look the other way at an event that is being compared to the murder of George Floyd.

              If anything, you seem conspicuously unconcerned about the nature of this murder.

              If you think that Black lives are inherently “political”, I am happy to reiterate my assessment that you are a racist person.

            • prole
              link
              fedilink
              English
              5
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              You’re so bad at this. Just say it with your full chest, my dude. We all know it already, and I’m sure the people in your real life know it.

              Racists are always the biggest fucking pussies about honestly expressing their own world view and ideology.

            • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              44 months ago

              Why do you think murder is political?

              Why do you think racial injustice is about politics not basic human rights and decency?

        • @Zink@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          14 months ago

          If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

          Oh so you think that racism should be an aggravating factor in sentencing? That sounds like it would be inconsistent with your other statements here. I would expect something like “why is there a lesser punishment for killing a white person you hate than killing a black person you hate?”

    • Annoyed_🦀
      link
      fedilink
      274 months ago

      “White folks don’t get in disturbances in Milwaukee?” Sharpton said during the funeral. “Do y’all throw white folks to the ground and put your knee on their neck? The sentence for disturbance is death?”

      This is the reason.

    • @ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      134 months ago

      Probably because it might have been a hate crime and might have done it for hate reasons, and maybe they will do it again unless they are held accountable. That would be my guess.

      • @absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        -134 months ago

        Shouldn’t they be held accountable for killing a human?

        I thought murder was bad, as a general rule.

        • @ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          44 months ago

          Murder once is bad, yeah, of course. You know what’s worse than one murder? Multiple murders, because the person wasn’t stopped.

          • @absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            -54 months ago

            Agreed.

            Have the two men in this instance killed before? I didn’t get that from the article.

            • @CreativeShotgun@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              44 months ago

              Cops keep murdering people, the same people too, the same evil fucks killing under the same pretenses. There’s a fucking tendency to kill certain people, wake up

            • prole
              link
              fedilink
              English
              44 months ago

              let’s pretend statistics don’t exist because the reality of their implications makes me uncomfortable.

    • @PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      94 months ago

      Because police encounters with black people has been an ongoing issue since they were brought over on boats to the united states.

      Many studies have highlighted disparities in how black people are treated.

      For instance: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/

      Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.

    • prole
      link
      fedilink
      English
      3
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      So humans often study patterns in human behavior in order to gain insight into things like group dynamics, sometimes even as a profession. Crazy right?

      And others try to use that data to try and correct historical injustices and atrocities we’ve made against marginalized people. That, I know for sure, is crazy to you.

      I’m sure you think this is all just “virtue signalling,” which says a lot about you.