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- vegancirclejerk@lemmy.world
- vegan@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- vegancirclejerk@lemmy.world
- vegan@lemmy.world
They’re usually shredded alive almost immediately because they’re seen as “waste” since they don’t lay eggs
For some more context:
that’s a strawman. it is not what i said at all. i’m talking about causation and linear time.
But people wanting to consume animal products is what causes people to kill them. It doesn’t matter if your present want didn’t cause the death of whatever animal you’re eating, it will cause the death of the next one.
no, it’s not. the only thing that can be said to cause the actions of a free agent is their own will. you are denying the free will of the people in the industry, but insisting that i be responsible for their actions. if they don’t have free will, then what makes you think i do?
Things are more complex than that, though. Imagine if I need some wood and I come across someone who has an axe. The man has no incentive to cut a tree down. I say to him I will give him three ponies to cut the tree down for me and he agrees. Who has caused the tree to be cut down? Everyone has free will in this situation and I would argue both parties are responsible and share the blame. If either party were removed from the equation the tree would stay standing.
this just isn’t analogous to how the system works, anyway. the financiers are operating with (calculated) risk, and willing to pay for meat from suppliers without a contract in place to sell it. to make this fit your analogy, the woodsman would need to just chop up trees and hope you come buy some wood.
It’s not meant to be. I was explaining why two people can be responsible for the same thing without ruining free will.
but its so disanalogous to how our food systems work that it’s irrelevant.
It’s not irrelevant because it has nothing to do with food systems. You said that if you were responsible for a dead animal then an abattoir worker has no free will. I was exclusively explaining the concept of shared responsibility, wherein two parties can be responsible for something while maintaining free will.
but because of how disanalogous your explanation is to the facts on the ground, your explanation is moot. you might as well have explained the housing market. one has nothing to do with the other.
it’s funny that you say that it’s more complex, then you give an example far simpler than the complexities of our current agricultural system.
I made it more complex than your notion that shared responsibility doesn’t exist.
i also didnt say that.
You did, though, this entire thing is you trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility in the death of the animals you eat.
i don’t have any responsibility. there is nothing to absolve. all of the responsibility for the actions of free agents is on the actors themselves.