…there are people who are out there fighting who are risking their livelihood or even lives…
never claimed the opposite. But for what do they risk their lives, huh? My fellow citizens (i’m a ukrainian) think they are risking their lives to defend their country right to exist. In reality they’re fighting a proxy war for the natural resources of the east. Do they fight for the ideology or an idea? De jure they are fighting for the opportunity to be a part of EU someday. De facto they are fighting for the resources which, most likely, they won’t even get, as they will be privatized by yet another rich politician. Both de jure and de facto they are also fighting for their country’s integrity. There’s actually no ideological fight. Why? Because both sides of the war are corrupt oligarchates. So why didhave you even mentioned modern conflicts? May be you meant some particular journalists and politics? They are largely prevailed by people lihe you and me, who won’t do anything real to defend any idea’s right to exist in the flesh.
…sounds more like a cult…
yeah, i guess what i said is a bit of an overstatement. My point still stands tho: if you’re not ready to do anything for the idea you want to be the reality then who will?
The spirit of the quote needs to be understood in the context of communism … in terms of liberating from imperialism, from the capitalist class … uplifting people and helping them
“The spirit” huh? Are you sure we’re not talking about a religion? Because this “the sence could be understood only if you open your heart to it” or your equally “spiritual” shit stinks of religion. Any set of words formed into a sentence tries to convey a thought. If it has to be read under the right angle at the full moon while singing a chant praising Beelzebub to be understood then it failed in its purpose to share the information. Period. Ever heard of Occam’s razor?
You might be surprised just how much material there is already existing on theory and practice … I’m talking about a lot of historical context and detail you can get into …
You won’t believe me, but i know the history. My knowledge is not scientific, yet i checked various points of view on certain events. My point is if you want to build a communism, then do something. At least don’t let the workers’ unions be crushed by the corporates. Why do i hear “eat the rich” only in the internet? If you’re an american then your position is even more alien to me, given your party system being the complete and utter bullshit.
I’m not sure where you get the idea that this process would have no hierarchy or structure …
I’m not sure where you saw me saying that.
In the US, for example, there is a certain amount of what I’d call ideological splintering, where people have some vague agreement and overlap on philosophies such as “being nice to other people” …
being nice to other people is not a philosofical concept. It’s called empathy, and i assure you, its just as common in any other culture.
“Ideological splintering” as you put it, is completely normal in any society. How come one ideology is worthy of its own regiment but the other does not though? Especially if we’re talking about the ideology you so dearly support? Its not a rhetorical question as i haven’t found any ideology dear to me, since depending on the situation any of them could work or fail miserably. I prefer to rely on personal principles rather than political ideologies. I’m a human being, not a political figure. Till i and my surroundings are happy, i don’t care who sits on the throne, how far left or right it is, or is it even there.
But back to you, and your uncertainty. How come the revolution came to russia in 1917 but now it won’t happen anywhere? What’s changed since? How come jews took even not so free land for themselves but you couldn’t take one noone needs for yourself? There’s lots of unoccupied land even in the 21st century. Grab it.
Ok, may be you’re not ready to build the communism and the ideas i mentioned are too ambitious. You guys still have lots of things to do, for instance, help the working class to stand their rights. large IT companies treat their workers like some kind of disposable and replaceable garbage. All they recieve in response are the so called “quiet quitters”. Compared to workers’ protests of the 20th century it’s nothing more than pathetic. Its almost like internet works as the “embrace, extend, extinguish” strategy to keep the people at bay.
P.S. learn to write breavily please. So much words you wrote to convey quite simple thoughts. I know I’m not quite the right person to say it to you, but man, even i was surprised by the amount of phrases that are here only for decorative purposes. I get that you’re happy to “share your wisdom” and worried that i won’t get it if you won’t explain it thorougly, but this is too much.
never claimed the opposite. But for what do they risk their lives, huh? My fellow citizens (i’m a ukrainian) think they are risking their lives to defend their country right to exist. In reality they’re fighting a proxy war for the natural resources of the east. Do they fight for the ideology or an idea? De jure they are fighting for the opportunity to be a part of EU someday. De facto they are fighting for the resources which, most likely, they won’t even get, as they will be privatized by yet another rich politician. Both de jure and de facto they are also fighting for their country’s integrity. There’s actually no ideological fight. Why? Because both sides of the war are corrupt oligarchates. So why didhave you even mentioned modern conflicts? May be you meant some particular journalists and politics? They are largely prevailed by people lihe you and me, who won’t do anything real to defend any idea’s right to exist in the flesh.
yeah, i guess what i said is a bit of an overstatement. My point still stands tho: if you’re not ready to do anything for the idea you want to be the reality then who will?
“The spirit” huh? Are you sure we’re not talking about a religion? Because this “the sence could be understood only if you open your heart to it” or your equally “spiritual” shit stinks of religion. Any set of words formed into a sentence tries to convey a thought. If it has to be read under the right angle at the full moon while singing a chant praising Beelzebub to be understood then it failed in its purpose to share the information. Period. Ever heard of Occam’s razor?
You won’t believe me, but i know the history. My knowledge is not scientific, yet i checked various points of view on certain events. My point is if you want to build a communism, then do something. At least don’t let the workers’ unions be crushed by the corporates. Why do i hear “eat the rich” only in the internet? If you’re an american then your position is even more alien to me, given your party system being the complete and utter bullshit.
I’m not sure where you saw me saying that.
being nice to other people is not a philosofical concept. It’s called empathy, and i assure you, its just as common in any other culture.
“Ideological splintering” as you put it, is completely normal in any society. How come one ideology is worthy of its own regiment but the other does not though? Especially if we’re talking about the ideology you so dearly support? Its not a rhetorical question as i haven’t found any ideology dear to me, since depending on the situation any of them could work or fail miserably. I prefer to rely on personal principles rather than political ideologies. I’m a human being, not a political figure. Till i and my surroundings are happy, i don’t care who sits on the throne, how far left or right it is, or is it even there.
But back to you, and your uncertainty. How come the revolution came to russia in 1917 but now it won’t happen anywhere? What’s changed since? How come jews took even not so free land for themselves but you couldn’t take one noone needs for yourself? There’s lots of unoccupied land even in the 21st century. Grab it.
Ok, may be you’re not ready to build the communism and the ideas i mentioned are too ambitious. You guys still have lots of things to do, for instance, help the working class to stand their rights. large IT companies treat their workers like some kind of disposable and replaceable garbage. All they recieve in response are the so called “quiet quitters”. Compared to workers’ protests of the 20th century it’s nothing more than pathetic. Its almost like internet works as the “embrace, extend, extinguish” strategy to keep the people at bay.
P.S. learn to write breavily please. So much words you wrote to convey quite simple thoughts. I know I’m not quite the right person to say it to you, but man, even i was surprised by the amount of phrases that are here only for decorative purposes. I get that you’re happy to “share your wisdom” and worried that i won’t get it if you won’t explain it thorougly, but this is too much.