• @natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com
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    No one said anything about “real Jews”, we’re talking about Israelis, who are at most a single generation away from being European, many of the older generation were born in Europe regardless of religion.

    So yes, Israelis are European colonists who displaced the people who lived on that land for many generations before any of them showed up.

    Zionism predates the creation of Israel.

    Yup, created in Europe late 18th century.

    Nothing you’ve described entitles European colonists to the land in Israel. They are there now, Israel isn’t going anywhere, but that does not excuse the ongoing genocide of the people who lived there already and have a much more substantiated claim to the land.

    • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      No one said anything about “real Jews”, we’re talking about Israelis who are at most a single generation away from being European, many of the older generation were born in Europe regardless of religion.

      Jesus Christ.

      First, please look into the demographics of Israeli Jews.

      Second, “At most a single generation”? Jesus fucking Christ, are you being serious?

      So yes, Israelis are European colonists who displaced the people who lived on that land for many generations before any of them showed up.

      I feel like we could get into a long argument here about the history of the region, but I think all of that is secondary to the fact that none of that has anything to do with Europeans converting to Judaism to steal Palestinian land. Jews from Europe, fleeing persecution, came to Palestine, where there was already a sizable Jewish minority.

      Nothing you’ve described entitles European colonists to the land in Israel. They are there now, Israel isn’t going anywhere, but that does not excuse the ongoing genocide of the people who lived there already and have a much more substantiated claim to the land.

      When the fuck have I excused the ongoing genocide?

      Here, let me help you out by requoting literally everything I said before you objected to me:

      so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.

      Fucking what