I am fine with the place settling for a bit. It would suck if this place was as big as other sites are overnight. I want to watch this place grow over time
Yeah, my main problem so far has been finding communities actually worth following/joining/contributing to.
If suddenly tons of average people join, they won’t really find communities, they’ll deem that their analysis of Lemmy, and leave with tiny chances of a second chance. It’ll just boom and bust in it’s current state. Most people aren’t interested in starting or growing a small community.
Meanwhile, if we stay at this size for a while, communities may form/grow, and as people trickle in, they’ll grow bit by bit.
The apps are already amazing and will not suffer issues of scale themselves because they run on users’ devices. The scaling issues will be in Lemmy server code and ActivityPub in general.
ActivityPub doesn’t seem very scalable IMHO. It works well if all instances are about the same size and communities are well-distributed. Right now a few servers like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ml are much larger than others. They host most of the popular communities as well. This creates an imbalance which ActivityPub doesn’t handle well.
I think Lemmy instances should be topic based. But that’d be confusing for people coming from centralized social media who are only trying to find a reliable starting place. So I really hope we reach a point of maturity and mainstream-ness of Fediverse that people feel comfortable with smaller theme-based instances.
My main gripe with ActivityPub is that the infrastructure basically replicates 1-to-1 across subscribed instances. It means that as lemmy grows, servers will require more and more storage to keep up. For now, it’s fine since we’re under a few TB of content on the platform.
If lemmy were to be as popular as reddit, we’d reach the dozens if not hundreds of TB of storage required. Not everyone has the money to build such a homelab or rent data center servers of that caliber.
ActivityPub in it’s current state is nothing but replicated centralization, not a full decentralized protocol. We’d probably need a different database system that handles cross region clustering and sharing to scale it up.
If you don’t mirror everything locally, you can lose data when other instances go down. Decentralization just has high data costs, take a look at git or bitcoin.
I just hope ActivityPup learned something from Diaspora, where small instances couldn’t handle the amount traffic comming from big instances.
My point was that there is no need to replicate everything everywhere. If the data is replicated a cross 5 instances per region for instance, it’s enough for replication needs. If you self host lemmy and subscribes to large communities on your instance, you can quickly overload your server. We need activity pub to be more lightweight if we want smaller instances to thrive.
As long as we have the population to stabilize the big communities and slowly fill out the niche ones as reddit drives ever downward. I think we will be ok.
I hope that the lemmy devs take this time to look at how they’re distributing users. We need a better browser for people to find what instances to join. The next Reddit exodus is going to be massive and .ml and .world aren’t ready for it.
The brain-drain has already happened on reddit and it’s only a matter of time before the good content and 3rd party development explodes here on Lemmy.
I am fine with the place settling for a bit. It would suck if this place was as big as other sites are overnight. I want to watch this place grow over time
Natural, healthy, positive growth! Not growth for growths sake
Yes! Enough of the “I’m doing my part meme” that isn’t even real content.
It is!
Would you like to know more?
I’m doing my part
It’s not but it drives the discussion. I feel that at this point, some participation is better than no participation at all
I disagree completely, but thanks for your take.
You’re welcome
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This man needs more upvotes!
Natural, healthy, positive upvotes! No upvotes for upvotes sake
Exactly. No one likes an steroids user. Natural growth is always the way!
Yeah, my main problem so far has been finding communities actually worth following/joining/contributing to.
If suddenly tons of average people join, they won’t really find communities, they’ll deem that their analysis of Lemmy, and leave with tiny chances of a second chance. It’ll just boom and bust in it’s current state. Most people aren’t interested in starting or growing a small community.
Meanwhile, if we stay at this size for a while, communities may form/grow, and as people trickle in, they’ll grow bit by bit.
Lemmyverse.net
This looks great thank you, going to have a deep dive.
Excellent!
Yea and a lot of that may be bot accounts that are getting banned/being shut off.
Yes. I do not want another Reddit.
never go full reddit
I, for one, am not going anywhere. ✊🏻
I’m interested in seeing how well these great open source apps for Lemmy scale as the user base and post/comment data grows.
The apps are already amazing and will not suffer issues of scale themselves because they run on users’ devices. The scaling issues will be in Lemmy server code and ActivityPub in general.
ActivityPub doesn’t seem very scalable IMHO. It works well if all instances are about the same size and communities are well-distributed. Right now a few servers like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ml are much larger than others. They host most of the popular communities as well. This creates an imbalance which ActivityPub doesn’t handle well.
I think Lemmy instances should be topic based. But that’d be confusing for people coming from centralized social media who are only trying to find a reliable starting place. So I really hope we reach a point of maturity and mainstream-ness of Fediverse that people feel comfortable with smaller theme-based instances.
My main gripe with ActivityPub is that the infrastructure basically replicates 1-to-1 across subscribed instances. It means that as lemmy grows, servers will require more and more storage to keep up. For now, it’s fine since we’re under a few TB of content on the platform.
If lemmy were to be as popular as reddit, we’d reach the dozens if not hundreds of TB of storage required. Not everyone has the money to build such a homelab or rent data center servers of that caliber.
ActivityPub in it’s current state is nothing but replicated centralization, not a full decentralized protocol. We’d probably need a different database system that handles cross region clustering and sharing to scale it up.
If you don’t mirror everything locally, you can lose data when other instances go down. Decentralization just has high data costs, take a look at git or bitcoin. I just hope ActivityPup learned something from Diaspora, where small instances couldn’t handle the amount traffic comming from big instances.
My point was that there is no need to replicate everything everywhere. If the data is replicated a cross 5 instances per region for instance, it’s enough for replication needs. If you self host lemmy and subscribes to large communities on your instance, you can quickly overload your server. We need activity pub to be more lightweight if we want smaller instances to thrive.
As long as we have the population to stabilize the big communities and slowly fill out the niche ones as reddit drives ever downward. I think we will be ok.
I hope that the lemmy devs take this time to look at how they’re distributing users. We need a better browser for people to find what instances to join. The next Reddit exodus is going to be massive and .ml and .world aren’t ready for it.
The brain-drain has already happened on reddit and it’s only a matter of time before the good content and 3rd party development explodes here on Lemmy.