According to benchmarks the 8700G vs M3 is on average 22% slower single core, and is 31% faster multicore, FP32 is 41% higher than the M3 and AI is 54% slower 8700G also uses 54% more energy
What about those stats says AMD can’t compete? 8700G is a APU just as is the M3
I’m talking about practical use performance. I understand your world, you don’t understand mine. I’ve been taking apart and upgrading PCs since the 286. I understand benchmarks. What you don’t understand, is how MacOS uses the SoC in a way where benchmarks =/= real-world performance. I’ve used pro apps on powerful PCs and powerful Macs, and I’m speaking from experience. We can agree to disagree.
I grew up with a Tandy 1000 and was always getting yelled at for taking it apart along with just about every PC we owned after than too.
Benchmarks are indicative of real world performance for most part. If they were useless we wouldn’t use them, kinda like userbenchmark.
The one benefit apple does have is owning its own ecosystem where they can modify the silicon/OS/Software to work with each other better.
Does not mean the M3 is the best there is and can’t be touched, that is just misleading
8700G is gonna stomp the M3 using Maxton’s software suite just as the M3 will stop the 8700G using Apples software suite.
Then also on-top if that the process node for manufacturing said silicon is different (3nm vs 4nm) that alone allows for a 20% (give or take some) performance difference just like every process node change in the past decade or so
I’ll take the loss on the experience part as the only apple product I own is an Apple TV 4k, but there are many nuances you’ve obviously glossed over
Is the M3 a good piece of silicon? Yes
Is it the best at EVERYTHING? Of course not
Should apple give up because they are not the best? Fuck no
Man, you’re kinda off the point. This is about how much UM is appropriate for a base model. I’m simply saying the architecture of an SoC utilizes UM as a storage liaison exclusively, since CPU and GPU are cores of the same chip. It simply does not mean the same thing as 8GB of RAM in standard architecture. As a pro app user, 16GB is enough. 8GB is plenty for grandma to check her Facebook and online banking.
Notice the soldered RAM and lack of video card? Kinda like what the M series does.
And when all is said and done, 8gb is not nearly enough and apple should be chastised for just like Nvidia when they first decided to make 5 different variations of the 1060 making sure 4 of those variations will become ewaste in a few short years and again with the 3050 6gb vs 3050 8gb
They both have have independent CPU and GPU. UM is not used to pass from CPU to GPU on an SoC system, it’s exclusively a storage liaison. Therefore it’s used far less than in non SoC applications.
The CPU and GPU are one chip. Learn about Apple Silicon SoC rather than trying to find a comparison. You won’t find one anywhere yet.
With independent CPU and GPU, sure. There’s no SoC that performs anywhere near Apple Silicon.
According to benchmarks the 8700G vs M3 is on average 22% slower single core, and is 31% faster multicore, FP32 is 41% higher than the M3 and AI is 54% slower 8700G also uses 54% more energy
What about those stats says AMD can’t compete? 8700G is a APU just as is the M3
I’m talking about practical use performance. I understand your world, you don’t understand mine. I’ve been taking apart and upgrading PCs since the 286. I understand benchmarks. What you don’t understand, is how MacOS uses the SoC in a way where benchmarks =/= real-world performance. I’ve used pro apps on powerful PCs and powerful Macs, and I’m speaking from experience. We can agree to disagree.
I grew up with a Tandy 1000 and was always getting yelled at for taking it apart along with just about every PC we owned after than too.
Benchmarks are indicative of real world performance for most part. If they were useless we wouldn’t use them, kinda like userbenchmark.
The one benefit apple does have is owning its own ecosystem where they can modify the silicon/OS/Software to work with each other better.
Does not mean the M3 is the best there is and can’t be touched, that is just misleading
8700G is gonna stomp the M3 using Maxton’s software suite just as the M3 will stop the 8700G using Apples software suite.
Then also on-top if that the process node for manufacturing said silicon is different (3nm vs 4nm) that alone allows for a 20% (give or take some) performance difference just like every process node change in the past decade or so
I’ll take the loss on the experience part as the only apple product I own is an Apple TV 4k, but there are many nuances you’ve obviously glossed over
Is the M3 a good piece of silicon? Yes Is it the best at EVERYTHING? Of course not Should apple give up because they are not the best? Fuck no
Man, you’re kinda off the point. This is about how much UM is appropriate for a base model. I’m simply saying the architecture of an SoC utilizes UM as a storage liaison exclusively, since CPU and GPU are cores of the same chip. It simply does not mean the same thing as 8GB of RAM in standard architecture. As a pro app user, 16GB is enough. 8GB is plenty for grandma to check her Facebook and online banking.
Am I missing the point really? UM is not a new concept. Specifically look at the PS5/X:SX
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-amd-mini-pc-kit-is-likely-made-out-of-b0rked-ps5-chips/
Notice the soldered RAM and lack of video card? Kinda like what the M series does.
And when all is said and done, 8gb is not nearly enough and apple should be chastised for just like Nvidia when they first decided to make 5 different variations of the 1060 making sure 4 of those variations will become ewaste in a few short years and again with the 3050 6gb vs 3050 8gb
They both have have independent CPU and GPU. UM is not used to pass from CPU to GPU on an SoC system, it’s exclusively a storage liaison. Therefore it’s used far less than in non SoC applications.
The CPU and GPU are one chip. Learn about Apple Silicon SoC rather than trying to find a comparison. You won’t find one anywhere yet.