• @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    -39 months ago

    False equivalence. Literally Ukraine would have been better off if the west had not given them any money at all. The war would have been over and Ukraine would have more territory and more living people. And that doesnt even get into if the war was entirely preventable to start with. Ukraine is about to lose the war and all you guys want to do is give them more money so more ukrainians die.

    • @GojuRyu@lemmy.world
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      69 months ago

      Should every country just surrender to aggressors, only those that require aid to defend themselves or some other criteria? This seems like a call for any small state to just give up when a conqueror is at their door ready to oppress them, is that what you believe?

      • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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        19 months ago

        No they shouldnt surrender, but should the US fund every war, including the ones we passively or actively instigate? Should we give money to a country to fight when it makes their situation worse, and just end up with more dead people?

    • @Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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      29 months ago

      Ukraine would have more territory

      How would Ukraine have more territory when the reason Putin said he needed to invade was to take territory away from Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians?

    • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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      09 months ago

      Good points, let’s change Ukraine to Ireland and Russia to the British Empire and see if we still think they’re good points.

      … Oh, oh god…

      It seems we’ve BOTH made a huge mistake and inadvertently thought imperialism is good just because it had a Russian accent. How embarrassing for the both of us.

      I’m glad we’ve both learned from this horrible accident and will no longer support imperial ambitions just because it’s being done by a non-US ally.

            • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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              19 months ago

              Here you go:

              Literally Ukraine would have been better off if the west had not given them any money at all. The war would have been over and Ukraine would have more territory and more living people. And that doesnt even get into if the war was entirely preventable to start with.

              If Ukraine would just surrender this would all be over. If Ukraine hadn’t forced Russia to invade then none of this would have ever happened. Ukraine would benefit from becoming part of Russia by having more territory and a larger population. How else can your comment be construed?

              • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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                -19 months ago

                That is obviously not support for russian imperialism, its support in not having ukrainians dying.

                And then you made a bunch of lame strawman arguments. Nice work!

                • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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                  19 months ago

                  That is obviously not support for russian imperialism, its support in not having ukrainians dying.

                  If only people wouldn’t resist my attempts to kill and steal from them. That’s the real issue. If they just peacefully surrendered and let me have my way than they would be fine, better off than before even!

                  And then you made a bunch of lame strawman arguments. Nice work!

                  I’ve been kind enough to provide quotes from you and break down exactly how they support Russian fascist imperialism. Why can’t you be kind enough to do the same with me?

                  The reason why: what you are saying is nonsense and you can’t defend it, only retreat to a position of ‘I want to save lives by accepting surrender’.

                  This is because you are a coward, afraid to publicly state your actual position because you know how bad it looks and you know you’ll get your ass beat then spend the next few days sulking, trying to think of why you aren’t actually a bad person with silly opinions.

                  • @CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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                    09 months ago

                    You are the guy that referenced star trek in regards to war and did a bunch of strawmen, I am not reading your childish comments anymore.