Agreed. We’re getting some traction on this but it is absolutely not possible for this year’s presidential election. This is a long-term goal that should not affect your voting this year.
And next election you will say THE EXACT SAME THING. It’ll never be the “right time” unless it’s all already falling in your lap. Democrats suck because they completely lack initiative. They think that unless they control the House, Senate AND Presidential office that “it’s impossible to get anything done!”.
Nah, those high up are perfectly happy with this and you’re just feeding into it.
I mean…yeah? If 2028 rolls around and we don’t have ranked-choice voting (or similar) for federal elections, I will say the same thing. And I will be objectively right.
Don’t stop pushing for ranked choice. What you can do today is write to your representative about the Fair Representation Act, which includes provisions to require ranked choice voting (for congressional elections). That is a the natural next step. This is not an overnight process.
But let’s be real: politics does not move fast enough for anything we do today to affect this year’s presidential election. Honestly, if anyone tries to fundamentally change the election system this close to a presidential election, they are surely corrupt. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. If you wait for the whole world to change before taking a step, you’re going to be waiting your whole life.
Do you seriously think that NOT voting is somehow going to accelerate change?
I’m glad you’re angry. You should be. But there are ways to channel that that are NOT self-destructive. You don’t have to choose between voting and advocating. That makes no fucking sense.
Those high up are happy, no one else is. Do u not see the disdain literally everywhere? And the largest (by far) generation the country had ever seen grabbed a hell of a stranglehold on our seats of power in government and labor institutions. The right time is nigh upon us. Its blind to deny it.
no one disagrees with you. no one is in a marriage blood pact with FPTP. people are trying to abolish FPTP but it’s taking time and definitely won’t be done within seven months. the pattern of commentators like you coming into a discussion saying “just do <the obvious>” is about as useless and meaningless as a vegan trying to brigade a barbecue subreddit, or telling a person struggling with gas payments to buy a tesla.
genuinely just reconsider your strategy. you’re wrongly placing blame on the voters as though they have ever been given the option to fix their horrible voting system.
i stand by my comparison that it’s like you are telling a low income person struggling to finance gas to just buy a tesla.
I mean, of the two states that actually have approved RCV for the presidential race, one is Dem and one is Republican. Republicans are actually one of the largest users of RCV, there’s a number of states where they use it for their primaries. They may be the most outwardly hostile to it, but let’s not pretend that Democrats are championing RCV.
There’s a lot of nuance and discussion that is just ignored by online people regarding this discussion. I’m sick of the fighting.
Change your horrible voting system. FPTP is the root of all this craziness
Agreed. We’re getting some traction on this but it is absolutely not possible for this year’s presidential election. This is a long-term goal that should not affect your voting this year.
And next election you will say THE EXACT SAME THING. It’ll never be the “right time” unless it’s all already falling in your lap. Democrats suck because they completely lack initiative. They think that unless they control the House, Senate AND Presidential office that “it’s impossible to get anything done!”.
Nah, those high up are perfectly happy with this and you’re just feeding into it.
I mean…yeah? If 2028 rolls around and we don’t have ranked-choice voting (or similar) for federal elections, I will say the same thing. And I will be objectively right.
Don’t stop pushing for ranked choice. What you can do today is write to your representative about the Fair Representation Act, which includes provisions to require ranked choice voting (for congressional elections). That is a the natural next step. This is not an overnight process.
But let’s be real: politics does not move fast enough for anything we do today to affect this year’s presidential election. Honestly, if anyone tries to fundamentally change the election system this close to a presidential election, they are surely corrupt. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. If you wait for the whole world to change before taking a step, you’re going to be waiting your whole life.
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Do you seriously think that NOT voting is somehow going to accelerate change?
I’m glad you’re angry. You should be. But there are ways to channel that that are NOT self-destructive. You don’t have to choose between voting and advocating. That makes no fucking sense.
This is true and by design.
Those high up are happy, no one else is. Do u not see the disdain literally everywhere? And the largest (by far) generation the country had ever seen grabbed a hell of a stranglehold on our seats of power in government and labor institutions. The right time is nigh upon us. Its blind to deny it.
and here you are ignoring nuance 😭
no one disagrees with you. no one is in a marriage blood pact with FPTP. people are trying to abolish FPTP but it’s taking time and definitely won’t be done within seven months. the pattern of commentators like you coming into a discussion saying “just do <the obvious>” is about as useless and meaningless as a vegan trying to brigade a barbecue subreddit, or telling a person struggling with gas payments to buy a tesla.
I have been saying this for years. I have written it on countless message boards throughout my time online.
There isn’t really any nuance to it. Change is hard, I understand. Doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try.
must not be loud and frequent enough since it hasn’t happened 🤷♀️ whatever would we do without you by all means continue
In other words, I should shut up?
genuinely just reconsider your strategy. you’re wrongly placing blame on the voters as though they have ever been given the option to fix their horrible voting system.
i stand by my comparison that it’s like you are telling a low income person struggling to finance gas to just buy a tesla.
It’s been changed in some states. Someone somewhere must have heard it and thought it was a good idea.
Sharing ideas online is a first step. The alternative is that people don’t mention it, and that seems worse.
I wish but not happening in a million years.
Both sides love it because it means they don’t actually have to make improvements to win over their base.
Maine and Alaska have implemented it, if memory serves.
Shh, silly facts! Almost like the youth trying to turn things around shouldnt be impeded right as theyre trying to come into power.
Then you should probably vote for the party that will allow you to get rid of FpTP? Right?
Because you obviously aren’t aware that the #fascist #GOP has already banned RCV in 5 states.
I mean, of the two states that actually have approved RCV for the presidential race, one is Dem and one is Republican. Republicans are actually one of the largest users of RCV, there’s a number of states where they use it for their primaries. They may be the most outwardly hostile to it, but let’s not pretend that Democrats are championing RCV.
Multiple Democratic state parties and advocacy groups endorse Ranked Choice Voting, so shut the hell up with the both sides nonsense.
Multiple Democratic state parties also oppose it. The DC Democratic party for example voted against RCV last year, and that’s not an isolated case.
Reference: https://www.pbs.org/wnet/preserving-democracy/2023/12/18/ranked-choice-voting-coming-to-more-statewide-ballots-in-2024/
I think that’s an oversimplification. If they’re championing RCV, they’re doing a really lame job of it.