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  • None of that relates to the concept of free speech.

    Trump has been lying through his teeth since the moment he could talk. I don’t see either him being penalized nor anybody trying to stop him. It’s got nothing to do with contracts.

    Also, I never said that free speech had no limits. If you were to follow the thread you would see that I have nominated a bunch.



  • I already said that there were limitations to free speech earlier. But untruth is also protected under the US Constitution. It all relates to a possibility of harm.

    If i said that I was the Easter Bunny, it would be a lie, but who is harmed by it?

    If I falsely yell fire in a crowded theatre and people get trampled, then harm, or a risk of harm is evident.

    These are all standard arguments on free speech. But, yes, there are many carve outs where an untrue statement is protected under law. I just don’t have the time or inclination to list them all. You can check them out yourself.


  • I’m not sure if you are trolling or not, because any plain English reading is obvious

    Your own quote, as set out below…

    “the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas”

    That also applies to incorrect information ideas… or… lies. Or the truth… Or fantasy… Or anything in between…

    It doesn’t specify truth or otherwise. You are free to assume anything you care to - but it’s not in the actual text.

    As to your question, I have no clue about your insistence on me being whatever the thing is you keep repeating.


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    Again it is.

    Neither of those links suggested that it was illegal to lie. Why not? Because it is fucking impossible to tie that rule into a working possibility. Go read your own links yourself, because it is obvious that you haven’t.

    It talks about limitations on hate speech, etc, but you can lie without hate speech.

    Freedom of speech is an ideal, and is tied to state control of speech. There are all kinds of limitations, including public safety and defamation, etc. But if I called you a Martian, obviously that is a lie. What happens? Does the free speech police lock me up?

    I’m not interested in personal attacks, by the way.


  • Again, it is.

    Show me the legalisation where it is illegal to lie. How is it enforced? Who enforces it? Who arbatrates it?

    Freedom of speech is a moral right, and nothing more. If you start arresting people on perceived lies, that is a very dangerous slippery slope. I hope that the Donald doesn’t start arresting people who he believes is lying. Where will THAT stop?

    And, no, I’m not Asian, tho I don’t understand your asking.