How would we defend ourselves from such a bot flood though?

Let’s say that we start to become competitive with one of these big tech companies user wise. What is stopping them from destroying the fediverse with bots by sewing dissent, hate and slop?

Perhaps the answer to such a scenario would just be to splinter, defederate and sort out the bot issue with better user registration.

Happy to hear your thoughts.

We are the web. There is no web without the we.

It is ultimately humans who add value to the internet. We can make decisions, take action, have bank accounts, bots for the most part still can’t. If we keep growing, there will come a time where swaying opinions, impressing advertisements or driving dissent will reach that value/effort threshold, especially with the effort term shrinking more everyday

I think that we are genuinely witnessing the end of the internet as we know it and if we want meaningful online contact to persist after this death, then we should come up with ways that communities can weather the storm.

I don’t know what the solution is, but I want to talk and think about it with others that care.

On the individual level we can maybe fortify against the reasons that might make someone want to extract that value.

• Being a principled conscious consumer makes you a less likely target for advertisement
• Avoid ragebait and clickbait, and develop a good epistemic bullshit filter along with media literacy, this makes it more difficult to lie to you, or to provoke outrage.
• Unfortunately, be selective with your trust. How old is the user account? are the posting hours normal? does the user come across as a genuine human being that values discussion and meaningful online contact?
• Be authentic and genuine. I don’t know how else to signify that I am real (shoutout to the þorn users)

I would love to hear what others think.

We wake up in our cells and dress in limitation

To deprive ourselves of action and causation

Can’t or won’t we see that we rob ourselves of agency?

Why waste our will with can’t where we could won’t?

So don’t say that you can’t.

But do say that you won’t

And I will know that you will will

For where there’s a will, there’s a way

And who knows where you may stray

🙏 ty that really cleared it up

I agree that only love is real. Its capital G Good. But I have a hard time following what you are trying to say after that sorry. Could you elaborate?

If hate is the opposite of love, then hating hate inverts that back to love <3

You are right my friend. But i’m afraid that this might be at odds with annonimity online. These micro communities might look a lot like this, just more restrictive on the user registration side.

I can imagine that we may have a federated community of human verified forums. Where you have to go to the computer club at least once to get a forum account.

Anyways, the death of online truth and authenticity gives us a tremendous opportunity to reinvent what online contact should look like. But inevitably, it will be more outside and less online I think.

Yes it sort of feels like online ecosystem collapse. Between all the insincerity, ads and slop. Very few online places feel alive :(

Yes AI is utter shite at poetry. Its the only proof of humanity I can convey over text except for swearing to show that I’m not a sterile soulless corporate autocomplete taking the space of valuable human interaction.

Glad to be here, witnessing the death of the internet as we know it here together. I’m pretty sure most of you are real so let’s enjoy the show together before we all go outside again!

As the internet lay dying I wondered if I should be crying A great gift to mankind is losing it’s mind

Should we stay? Said the friends we made along the way

Who are we without web? But who, is the web without the we?

Even as we grieve and leave

Remember.

There is no web without the we And where we go the web will be

Thanks for responding. I don’t have time to write a proper reply (sleepy) but wanted to say bye. Thanks for chatting!

I find it difficult to pick a side, so I guess I don’t. I am a researcher and I also work with ML models everyday to make things that can help real people. But I would hesitate to say that LLMs have been a net positive for humanity.

I guess what it comes down to is that the potential for misuse feel limitless, while the potential for good feels limited to me. Technology is only as good as the people using it. That says less about the technology and more about the current state of the world.

Although I think that the world would have been better without LLMs, that is wishful thinking. It’s better to tackle the underlying problems that are being amplified by LLMS, namely: in-authenticity, misinformation and online slop.

That is why I come here, this place still has some sense of authenticity. Like us, engaging in real discussion, It’s not a proper meaningful human interaction, but hey we all want to relax online sometimes.

I would be happy to hear your thoughts.

Best,

A real fellow human.

I would hereby like to issue a formal invitation to the pro-human community!

With the emphasis lying on breaking free from the fake and inauthentic interactions of digital life. You can still have a digital life and even use a some AI, but the human spirit should not be smothered in the way that it is now.

(partial sarcasm) Join today rediscover your humanity!

Edit: Preaching to the choir here I imagine

Ik snap peertube, maar ik denk dat op inhoudelijke basis nebula wel veel beter en ook een betere vervanging is. maar ja, betalen :(

I like the term community pilled instead of anti AI. Simply placing meaningful human interaction over soulless machine interaction.

I love it. It made me shed a tear, thank you. My German is not good enough tot express.

If you are a LaTeX user, you can actually do this with LaTeX pdfpackages.

Microslop cope-pilot

Hmm eens. Ik zou niet voor het verval beleid van de afgelopen decennia zijn, maar de huidige begroting voelt wel heel draconisch.

Ik weet dat bijna iedere partij dit wil, maar ik vind het lastig om te slikken dat er zo veel geld naar defensie gaat. Gaat dit niet ontzettend ten koste van de zorg, de infrastructuur en uiteindelijk gewoon de algemene beleving in dit land? Ik denk niet dat Nederland hier beter van word en ik twijfel of Europa of de wereld hier beter van word.

Ik wil zelf overtuigd zijn dat het een goed idee is, want iedereen lijkt op oorlogs pad te zijn. Het lijkt alsof ik de enige ben die hier dit ongemakkelijk vind.