I use Ubuntu. I think it’s funny how Arch users immediately assume they know more about Linux than me because of my distro choice. My hobby is learning about Linux and I can do that perfectly from my Ubuntu machine.
I’ve used Arch in the past, and let me tell you, nothing crazy is going on in there.
Yes, Ubuntu sucks because they are forcing Snaps on people while snaps are slow as hell. Thankfully they haven’t fully shoved snaps down our throats. If they don’t make snaps faster before shoving them down my throat, I’ll just distro hop. Probably to Debian. I love Debian.
Arch user here. I have no idea what I’m doing. Killing Floor just crashed my graphics card or something to crash and my monitors aren’t working after reboots. Oh god
They do know this is a popular myth spread around by the antiquities of debian/mint/ubuntu users who wait a few years for Arch users to locate any bugs.
I went from Ubuntu to Arch and I think I’m here to stay. Ubuntu was unstable for me for some reason. I would get freezes and crashes all the time. I feel like Canonical is making things slower and bloated but I have had pretty smooth experiences with Linux mint. On Arch I’ve been getting amazing uptime. But to each ones own, if you like it, who am I to judge.
One of my favorite features of arch is the aur, and because manjaro lags behind arch releases, you can run into trouble. If you want arch without the install difficulties, I would try something like endeaver os or garuda. You’ll end up with actual arch in the end and you wont end up with some of outdated certs or whanever manjaro ucks up nowadays.
Mine too, but I did switch because I needed to reinstall and I would have just swiched out most of the tools that come preinstalled, to the point I didn’t know why I would even use manjaro instead of arch if I’m reinstlling everything anyway…
People on the internet say to read the wiki and follow the directions but I’m a much more visual learner. If you follow this video, you should be all good if you want to use vanilla Arch. I do not have experience with Manjaro but one of my friends said he used it once and he enjoyed it. Though his cmos battery died and the OS bricked so he switched to Linux Mint. Installing arch might take around 30 min or an hour so it’s not the hardest thing ever. I would recommend the archinstall script but that has never worked for me, if you can manage to use that script, setup is even easier.
I don’t get the complains about snap apps. My firefox opens near instant, even after a reboot. Maybe they fixed that with Lunar Lobster? That’s the first Ubuntu I installed on my PC since Ubuntu 9.04.
I have installed Firefox in my machine and the difference is around 3 seconds.
For me, how my system feels is pretty important. If something isn’t snappy, my stress levels start to rise. So those 3 seconds do make a difference. Some people might not care at all, which is understandable.
If you don’t care, use it, enjoy it. You’re free to pick what matches your priorities and preferences.
I would care if it took 3s to start, after all I moved all my storage to NVMe for a reason. So I totally get why you would be annoyed with snaps, it’s just that in my experience there’s simply no noticeable startup time in 23.04, firefox opens in under a second.
So they either fixed that in LL or you can outmuscle it with hardware, and I’m genuinely just curios which one it is.
I’m inclined for the second one. It would be pretty big news if they fixed it. My hardware is not bad but it isn’t great either. I usually get laptops from my workplaces so my personal laptop is kinda old.
Keep in mind that a lot of people use Linux exactly because they don’t have good hardware specs.
@zbecker@pazukaza@alcasa for me it’s about what containers I’ll most likely be working with so my personal OS knowledge applies to working with those containers. I don’t want to look up the package manager commands when editing a dockerfile. Ubuntu and Debian are pretty ubiquitous. I’ve never seen anything running on an Arch container in an enterprise production environment. Then of course there is Alpine, which I deal with regularly and can’t stand. Also, #regolith on Ubuntu is amazing.
I personally use #NixOS. The declarative nature of it is so nice.
It enables me to share common configuration between different computers while still allowing host specific differences without relying on hacky solutions like #chezmoi.
Not knocking chezmoi, it’s great and I used it for years, I just prefer the home-manager module for NixOS.
I have seen a lot about Nix recently, and I must admit I’m really intrigued. I definitely want to play around with it more. Conceptually, it does sound pretty cool.
While it is definitely amazing for cluster deployments, Nix, the package manager behind the OS came out of the creators PhD thesis.
It is quite a successful attempt to make builds completely reproducible. NixOS, is what you get when you build a distro around a package manager, rather than a package manager around a distro.
I use it as my daily driver these days, and haven’t had any issues with it for gaming, and due to the way its package manager works, I prefer it for development over anything else.
It is the most stable and unbreakable system I have ever used, despite using the unstable repos. It also has the most up to date repo on linux. As far as unique packages, it is a close second to the AUR, but it is catching up.
It isn’t for everyone, and may be betamax to containerization when it comes to software development, but for the time being, I cannot see it going away anytime soon.
I second this. I’m a casual Linux user for hosting personal things at home. I’m not a tech professional. I use Ubuntu because I typically don’t know how to do things on my own, so I need to be able to find guides.
I’ll never understand the Linux community in that aspect. We want the market share to grow but always clown on the Ubuntu users, who make up the majority of our market share. If you use Ubuntu, you’re already far ahead than OSX/Win users who complain Apple/Microsoft did a change they don’t like but still remain hostage in their ecosystem.
After 19 years of Ubuntu, I have lived longer with it than without. At this point I’m pretty confident in my knowledge and ability to bend this OS to my will and have it serve nearly any purpose. If someone looked down upon you because you use Ubuntu, smile and move on.
Exactly. I’ve run Linux almost exclusively for more than 20 years. I did the whole roll-my-own thing for a while. Now most of the computers I deal with regularly run mostly-stock Ubuntu.
“Oh god, they will immediately be able to tell I am a fraud who has no idea what he’s doing when I tell them I use Ubuntu”
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When I hear someone uses Mint I think “ah, they use better Ubuntu.”
Either mint or pop
Ubuntu is fine and I actually am on Ubuntu after using Arch for many years
I use Ubuntu. I think it’s funny how Arch users immediately assume they know more about Linux than me because of my distro choice. My hobby is learning about Linux and I can do that perfectly from my Ubuntu machine.
I’ve used Arch in the past, and let me tell you, nothing crazy is going on in there.
Yes, Ubuntu sucks because they are forcing Snaps on people while snaps are slow as hell. Thankfully they haven’t fully shoved snaps down our throats. If they don’t make snaps faster before shoving them down my throat, I’ll just distro hop. Probably to Debian. I love Debian.
Arch users HAVE to know a lot because their updates break it conatantly
Honestly I’ve found it to be surprisingly stable, and the only time the system broke, it was my own fault.
It sounds like you have used it extensively then, because the myth is spread by people who never tried.
Arch user here. I have no idea what I’m doing. Killing Floor just crashed my graphics card or something to crash and my monitors aren’t working after reboots. Oh god
They do know this is a popular myth spread around by the antiquities of debian/mint/ubuntu users who wait a few years for Arch users to locate any bugs.
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I went from Ubuntu to Arch and I think I’m here to stay. Ubuntu was unstable for me for some reason. I would get freezes and crashes all the time. I feel like Canonical is making things slower and bloated but I have had pretty smooth experiences with Linux mint. On Arch I’ve been getting amazing uptime. But to each ones own, if you like it, who am I to judge.
I’m considering leaving Ubuntu. I’m currently looking at Manjaro because I don’t think I have enough time to invest in learning arch. Any tips?
One of my favorite features of arch is the aur, and because manjaro lags behind arch releases, you can run into trouble. If you want arch without the install difficulties, I would try something like endeaver os or garuda. You’ll end up with actual arch in the end and you wont end up with some of outdated certs or whanever manjaro ucks up nowadays.
While you’re absolutely correct, in my personal experience Manjaro has been perfectly stable even with somewhat heavy use of the AUR.
Mine too, but I did switch because I needed to reinstall and I would have just swiched out most of the tools that come preinstalled, to the point I didn’t know why I would even use manjaro instead of arch if I’m reinstlling everything anyway…
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Yeah that sounds good to me - this is my work computer and I can’t afford it to break or to spend even half an hour of the day fixing something
https://github.com/arindas/manjarno read this before you move
People on the internet say to read the wiki and follow the directions but I’m a much more visual learner. If you follow this video, you should be all good if you want to use vanilla Arch. I do not have experience with Manjaro but one of my friends said he used it once and he enjoyed it. Though his cmos battery died and the OS bricked so he switched to Linux Mint. Installing arch might take around 30 min or an hour so it’s not the hardest thing ever. I would recommend the archinstall script but that has never worked for me, if you can manage to use that script, setup is even easier.
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Manjaro had a lot of dark history in past. Just use fedora workstation and chill.
I don’t get the complains about snap apps. My firefox opens near instant, even after a reboot. Maybe they fixed that with Lunar Lobster? That’s the first Ubuntu I installed on my PC since Ubuntu 9.04.
I have installed Firefox in my machine and the difference is around 3 seconds.
For me, how my system feels is pretty important. If something isn’t snappy, my stress levels start to rise. So those 3 seconds do make a difference. Some people might not care at all, which is understandable.
If you don’t care, use it, enjoy it. You’re free to pick what matches your priorities and preferences.
I would care if it took 3s to start, after all I moved all my storage to NVMe for a reason. So I totally get why you would be annoyed with snaps, it’s just that in my experience there’s simply no noticeable startup time in 23.04, firefox opens in under a second. So they either fixed that in LL or you can outmuscle it with hardware, and I’m genuinely just curios which one it is.
I’m inclined for the second one. It would be pretty big news if they fixed it. My hardware is not bad but it isn’t great either. I usually get laptops from my workplaces so my personal laptop is kinda old.
Keep in mind that a lot of people use Linux exactly because they don’t have good hardware specs.
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It used to be slow to start. I think I heard >5 seconds, but I don’t have any first hand experience.
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For me, the most important part of a distribution is the package manager.
That is why I use #NixOS. There is nothing wrong with #ubuntu the elitism of the vocal minority of #arch users is just annoying.
That being said, there is a higher skill floor to arch over Ubuntu, but that doesn’ say anything regarding your skill.
@zbecker @pazukaza @alcasa for me it’s about what containers I’ll most likely be working with so my personal OS knowledge applies to working with those containers. I don’t want to look up the package manager commands when editing a dockerfile. Ubuntu and Debian are pretty ubiquitous. I’ve never seen anything running on an Arch container in an enterprise production environment. Then of course there is Alpine, which I deal with regularly and can’t stand. Also, #regolith on Ubuntu is amazing.
Isn’t Arch a lot of manual compilation? Like I do that shit for work, I don’t want to do it in my free-time too.
No, Arch has recompiled packages. Maybe you think of Gentoo?
Even then it’s not “manual compilation”, it’s all automated.
Ah, I’m probably thinking of Gentoo, yes.
manual compilation aka >compile this like-this
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22.04 LTS gang
Honestly, it’s kinda my default general purpose linux distro at this point. Set it up bare bones and headless, rip out
snap, and do what you want.@gravitas_deficiency @alcasa
I personally use #NixOS. The declarative nature of it is so nice.
It enables me to share common configuration between different computers while still allowing host specific differences without relying on hacky solutions like #chezmoi.
Not knocking chezmoi, it’s great and I used it for years, I just prefer the home-manager module for NixOS.
I have seen a lot about Nix recently, and I must admit I’m really intrigued. I definitely want to play around with it more. Conceptually, it does sound pretty cool.
@gravitas_deficiency
I like it, but don’t expect it to save you any time unless your managing 3+ computers.
Yeah, it definitely seems aimed way more at cluster deployments. Still, a very cool concept to tailor the OS towards.
@gravitas_deficiency
While it is definitely amazing for cluster deployments, Nix, the package manager behind the OS came out of the creators PhD thesis.
It is quite a successful attempt to make builds completely reproducible. NixOS, is what you get when you build a distro around a package manager, rather than a package manager around a distro.
I use it as my daily driver these days, and haven’t had any issues with it for gaming, and due to the way its package manager works, I prefer it for development over anything else.
It is the most stable and unbreakable system I have ever used, despite using the unstable repos. It also has the most up to date repo on linux. As far as unique packages, it is a close second to the AUR, but it is catching up.
It isn’t for everyone, and may be betamax to containerization when it comes to software development, but for the time being, I cannot see it going away anytime soon.
22.04 is fucking spectacular. Now that it’s got 10 years of free support… I don’t know what I’m gonna do.
I moved to simpler distros after years of using Arch and derivatives… I just can’t be arsed any more.
Someone should make that bell curve meme where on the extremes they say “(i) use ubuntu”, while mid is arch 'n stuff.
I rolled Debian for a long time, but now use Ubuntu as there’s a lot more online guides on how to do stuff in Ubuntu than in any other distro (IME)
I second this. I’m a casual Linux user for hosting personal things at home. I’m not a tech professional. I use Ubuntu because I typically don’t know how to do things on my own, so I need to be able to find guides.
I’ll never understand the Linux community in that aspect. We want the market share to grow but always clown on the Ubuntu users, who make up the majority of our market share. If you use Ubuntu, you’re already far ahead than OSX/Win users who complain Apple/Microsoft did a change they don’t like but still remain hostage in their ecosystem.
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After 19 years of Ubuntu, I have lived longer with it than without. At this point I’m pretty confident in my knowledge and ability to bend this OS to my will and have it serve nearly any purpose. If someone looked down upon you because you use Ubuntu, smile and move on.
Long live Debian and the BDFL!
Nothing wrong with that! I’ve been using linux for nearly a decade, and after your distro hopping phase, most people settle into something like ubuntu
Exactly. I’ve run Linux almost exclusively for more than 20 years. I did the whole roll-my-own thing for a while. Now most of the computers I deal with regularly run mostly-stock Ubuntu.
On WSL