• Eager Eagle
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      ah yes the 10th place - still, Doge is estimated to use ~1% of the energy Bitcoin uses and it’s been in steady decline since the meme blew up.

      • HACKthePRISONS
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        >it’s been in steady decline since the meme blew up.

        it got a pretty big bump from elon a couple years back, but dogecoin is nearly perfect money. it isn’t deflationary, it’s cheap to transact, and the on-ramps are ubiquitous.

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        the entire Bitcoin block chain could be run on the phone I’m using to write this. there is nothing inherent to the protocol that dictates such massive power use.

        and dogecoin merge mines with all the other script coins so how can you even calculate its independent usage?

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          there is nothing inherent to the protocol that dictates such massive power use.

          Yes there is, massive power use is the entire point of proof-of-work. If Bitcoin blocks could be produced without massive power use then the blockchain’s system of validation would fail and 51% attacks would be trivial.

          • HACKthePRISONS
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            the hash rate for the first blocks was achievable with a pentium 3. the protocol functioned then. there is nothing inherent to the protocol that dictates more hashpower is used. a 51% attack is the protocol functioning properly.

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              That’s because there were just a handful of people mining the first blocks and there was no demand, so the price was basically zero.

              The protocol is meant to promote decentralization, so I have no idea how a 51% attack would be an example of the protocol functioning properly. A 51% attack is a demonstration that the protocol is controlled by a single entity.

              • HACKthePRISONS
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                a 51% attack means that 51% of the hashpower has agreed on a certain chain. this happens every 10 minutes.

          • HACKthePRISONS
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            011 months ago

            if they don’t explain their methodology, there is no reason to believe they got it right

            • Eager Eagle
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              then there’s no reason to believe they got it wrong.

              also they’re vague estimates, even bitcoin has a huge margin for error.

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                -111 months ago

                there is every reason to not believe them. they clearly have a motivation to paint power consumption as worse than is true, and the complexity of extracting the use of dogecoin mining from the rest of the mergedmine is, personally, unfathomable. maybe i’m dumb and there is a simple calculation that can be done, but without evidence of their methodology, i’m not going to believe them, and no one should.

                • Eager Eagle
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                  411 months ago

                  what’s the problem of estimating based on mined blocks and difficulty?

                  • HACKthePRISONS
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                    it’s a bit like clocking your gas mileage to and from work, and then saying thats how much gas it took you to get out of your driveway.

                  • HACKthePRISONS
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                    not everyone is merge-mining and even those who do may only be merge-mining specific chains.

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                    -111 months ago

                    the work that goes into mining those blocks should be discounted by the amount of energy that goes into mining every other merge-mined chain