In meetings in Israel, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin conveyed to Israeli leaders that it’s important to observe international rules of warfare.
As Israel girds for a fearsome ground assault into Gaza, senior Biden administration officials are warning their Israeli counterparts to show restraint and avoid mass civilian casualties and a humanitarian disaster that could turn world opinion against the Jewish state, according to two current and one former U.S. official.
You entered into this discussion because I said I had an ethical problem with voting for Biden when he continues to justify and tacitly support Israeli war crimes and their continued ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Let’s not forget that.
Your stupid fucking bullshit take was that I’m the asshole because I even suggested that I was uncomfortable voting for him after that, and was therefore guilty by association in the hypothetical event Donald Trump gets reelected.
I then continued by pointing out that my vote has no legitimate bearing on the electoral process due to the fact that we don’t elect candidates based on the popular vote, and my state is already a Democrat stronghold. You want to make me guilty by association to justify your own guilt for supporting imperialist, genocidal, zionist foreign policy with your hypothetical vote I guess. You voted for it, so by your logic that makes you equally responsible for the evil & death carried out in your name via the democratic process that you want to jerk yourself off for supporting.
So, don’t be surprised when someone holds you responsible for being an enabler of an ongoing genocide, and an establishment sycophant I guess.
I prefer to be on the side of not supporting psychopathic behavior that is being carried out in the name of religion regardless what fucking flag their country flies, or how much they want to permanently paint themselves out to be the victim. That’s something you and Israel have in common actually. You both think you’re the victim when really you’re the one defending the process of further victimization.
“I’m relying on someone else to do something that I won’t do” is not a very compelling statement of personal ethics.
Right there with “My personal ethics is to keep moving, because someone else will stop to help that stranger in need.”
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You won’t do something because you are certain that someone else will do it for you.
That’s not personal conviction.
That’s only possible if you are 18 years old or younger. In which case it’s not saying much.
I don’t know where you are getting this idea of “doing something for me”.
I explained what the statistical reality is, and you somehow take that as me relying on someone else to do my dirty work by holding their nose and voting for someone they don’t want to vote for in order to make up the gap. Well that just isn’t the fucking case.
I was being slightly hyperbolic about Democrats winning with 60% of the vote, so I actually just looked up the statistics since 1990. It has tilted blue by an average of +20% points since then.
So please, be more pedantic, and tell me how you think me choosing not to vote for Biden makes a shit bit of difference because it doesn’t.
If you need to know what people around you are doing before you can decide what to do, then you aren’t acting out of personal conviction.
If you were truly acting out of personal conviction, then your state statistics would be completely irrelevant to you.
The reason we even entered into this conversation was because the original person I was responding to suggested that me not voting for Biden would somehow impact whether or not Trump could potentially be reelected. It can’t, and won’t for the statistical reasons that I mentioned.
However, you are correct that me choosing not to vote for Biden again based on my disagreement with his tacit support for Israeli war crimes has nothing to do with that statistical reality.
Then the original person you were responding to was right.
If Trump wins, people who chose to abstain from voting regardless of the consequences will share the blame. People like you.
I explained my position, you explained yours.
I still think you’re a pedantic fuck & a debate pervert.
You still think I’m responsible for Trump HYPOTHETICALLY getting reelected.
Seems we’re at an impasse.