(not sure if this is the right community, sorry)
Hi, someone posted this on another server. I’d like to request we defederate with rammy.site and exploding-heads.com as well. I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it’s full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow them to. Just take a look for yourself.
" Admins of Lemmy.ml please consider defederating from rammy.site it has been taken over by right wing malicious actors from exploding-heads.com and the admin is nowhere to be found.
It is imperative that you take action as soon as possible the users on rammy are using the site to spread their messages to a further audience, we must nip this in the bud. If you don’t believe me check the instance for yourself, you’ll see it dominated with bigoted right wing posts and spam communities."
Edit: So many commenters think this is about political opinions or disagreement. It’s not. If I said “Mixing bleach and ammonia is good for you” I bet some of you would call that a political disagreement.
I don’t like right wingers either but I do not believe that suppressing speech helps anyone (unless people start doxxing, swatting, dogpiling, etc) but I just went to check out exploding-heads and the first I saw was this clip of a Pfizer representative admitting that their employees got a different COVID vaccine in a senate hearing. I mean, can someone debunk that? Is it just taken out of context? Is the video doctored? Is this “fake news”? If so, provide data and sources. If you suppress something like this you’re not doing anyone a favor.
And now that almost 80% of the population are vaccinated anyways, the “vaccination hesitancy” argument doesn’t really hold value.
Just went through some other posts there and I don’t agree with a lot of their takes. Reading their rules I see no reason to defederate.
Thank you for actually reading some posts instead of blindly assuming things. I think the situation is a little different than I thought. Lemmy.ml defederated from rammy.site but not exploding-heads. rammy.site has no mods currently and a disinformation campaign was launched on it from exploding-heads. I went to look at exploding-heads again today and it seems much more mild than yesterday, but rammy.site is still filled with trash posted from exploding-heads. Maybe take a look there?
I didn’t see the vaccine post you mentioned, but I would imagine it’s out of context. I can’t even seem to find it when searching.
Context matters though. If employees got a different vaccine because the company didn’t trust their own, that’s very different than employees got a different vaccine because it was cheaper. I don’t know what the truth is there, but disinformation often involves using true facts out of context to steer towards false conclusions. It’s very easy to manipulate people that way.
Since you asked me to provide some examples myself:
https://rammy.site/post/327957
https://rammy.site/post/327922 Out of context, this implies children get transition operations from the NHS. In context, “For the first time, it has set a minimum age of seven for referral to the gender identity clinics. These children will be offered psychological support and therapy that will focus on issues that may have led to their feelings about their gender.”
https://rammy.site/post/326293
https://rammy.site/post/326298 This one is a list of cherry picked climate change predictions that didn’t come true. The vast majority of the scientific community did not come to those conclusions. In fact, I started to get the feeling they were made up, so I started checking the sources. They are actually, literally made up. They didn’t even go through the effort of finding real predictions that went wrong, they just grabbed random quotes and paired them with institutions and dates. When you search the quotes on Google, you get different names, or just the same article copied and pasted.
https://rammy.site/post/327918 This one says a woman was denied cancer treatment for criticizing transgenderism. She was not. She refused to make appointments because there was a pride flag in the office, and harassed the staff over it for years. I don’t even like Newsweek as a source, but even they told the truth on this one https://www.newsweek.com/woman-accuses-hospital-denying-cancer-treatment-over-transphobic-comment-1817671
These were five out of the first 8 posts I clicked on. I didn’t even need to try to find them.
Another example from c/all: Transphobic posts reposted from EH to rammy. Not ok. https://exploding-heads.com/post/630674
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You can take your bad faith “just asking questions” elsewhere.
Except you’re not just asking questions, you have a motive behind those questions. You aren’t just trying to learn you’re trying to invalidate somebody else because you yourself don’t believe them to be valid.
Oh and the “studentphobic” analogy about college students drinking too much is a blatant strawman argument.
Even if Pfizer employees got a different vaccine—so what? Is the implication that their employees got the good version while everybody else got the Bill-Gates-microchip-zombie version?
I think it’s more likely that the employees got first crack at it. So, they got version 1.0 before the release date, some mods were made, and the general public got version 1.5. Big deal. It only looks nefarious if you believe that Pfizer is conspiring to poison people or something.
Could we tone down the rhetoric? Why does everything have to be Bill Gates/Microchip/killshot-whatever maximum? They had to produce a shitload of vials in a short time under extreme pressure. This leads to mistakes, bad handling, good and bad batches, supply chain issues, etc. Having batches that get extra testing for “people more critical to operations” wouldn’t be unthinkable. If it’s that innocent, so be it. But I want transparency and debate. We’re still living under capitalism so even if they just had 1st and 2nd class batches, I’d want to know.
Come on, man.
Wouldn’t the employees be getting the “bad batch”, then? Since it came out first?
In any case, that quote, alone, doesn’t interest me, because it doesn’t suggest malfeasance. I don’t see any reason to research this further, because all of the anti-vaccine rhetoric I’ve heard is, yes, from people who think that Bill Gates is trying to inject a microchip inside them. (Or something equally crazy.) I’ll revise that opinion when something interesting and rational comes along, but it doesn’t sound like this is.
No please, I don’t want to question my existing beliefs!