• @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    82 days ago

    “You don’t vote” is what Democrats say to anyone they don’t want to listen to, regardless of whether they actually vote.

    • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Democrats need to listen to people who vote.

      But the person I replied to said they also need to worry about nonvoters. They don’t. Nonvoters don’t matter.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness
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        102 days ago

        If they follow that logic they’ll never win, because the number of people who will unconditionally vote Dem is demonstrably not enough to win an election.

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            They court voters all the time. They don’t court nonvoters.

            For the same reason, campaigns don’t depend on getting youth to finally turn out to vote. It’s a strategy that has never worked.

            • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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              22 days ago

              They court voters all the time. They don’t court nonvoters.

              They conveniently designate those they don’t want to listen to as nonvoters, and pay no actual attention to whether the demographics they ignore are voters or not. “They don’t vote” is a pretext and has never been anything else.

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                They don’t have to “designate” people as nonvoters. A nonvoter is someone who doesn’t vote. Nonvoters designate themselves.

                • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                  22 days ago

                  Until the election has passed and they haven’t voted, only then are they nonvoters. Before the election, calling them nonvoters is just an excuse to ignore them.

                  • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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                    2 days ago

                    No, there is a specific term for people like that: “First time voters”. And they are courted by all parties.

        • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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          12 days ago

          Democrats won over 200 federal elections last month. Believe it or not, Harris was not the only Democrat on the ballot.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
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            12 days ago

            That 200 wasn’t enough to keep the Senate or win the House so I’m not sure what your point is.

            • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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              12 days ago

              The point is that “Democrats will never win” is obviously false, since many of them win every year.

              • NoneOfUrBusiness
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                12 days ago

                Are you fucking serious? I have better things to do than engage with whatever this is, but you should really think hard about a lot of things if you really believe what you just said.

                • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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                  12 days ago

                  Yes, I’m serious. Are you? Because “Democrats will never win” is about as serious as someone who says “The 49ers will never win” after watching last week’s game.

      • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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        52 days ago

        When it’s time to decide on policy, they don’t. When assigning blame, they’re the only thing that matters.

        But they are always conveniently whoever the party doesn’t want to listen to.

        • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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          The vast majority of nonvoters are politically disengaged, and there’s no evidence that their opinions differ significantly from those of voters.

          • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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            32 days ago

            Ok. So don’t gripe when the groups you don’t pursue because “they don’t vote” don’t vote. And especially don’t gripe when they prove you wrong by voting for your second choice.