I remember in the late 1990s having an argument with my dad, about this saying they were Vegan, after being told so by someone I trusted, through the media.

I disagree with that, just create serious activism to change things.

People that already understand should NOT have to be punished in that way.

Let me put it out there, I do not believe in jails or prisons. I do not believe anyone should be jailed or prisoned, no matter what they have done. It is easy way for societies blame the victims that react in behaviors societies either reserve for Fewer, Fewer & Fewer Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners or for no one, when in reality it is the failure of societies that these people have done unwanted behaviors. I believe in rehabilitation of people’s unwanted behaviors, while existing in the greater communities.

Yes, it should be an option,

There is a ton about life’s options-choices all of us must be given, but of course The Capital/Worse of Capitalism The USA is about privileging the fewer & fewer people over the more & more people.
The Capital/Worse of Capitalism The USA have a backwards approach to jails & prisons, basically throw as many poor & different-challenged people in systems as possible & created crazy, crazy & crazy over the top punishments for all behaviors, even ones formerly never imagined as crimes that results in far, far & far too many of them going to jails & prisons for as long as possible & as cheaply as they can, so that sick Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners make even greater profits-wealth, all they (not just the jailers & prisoners of the systems) really care about. At least Democratic Socialist Scandinavian countries do the reverse of systems to trap people, barely jail & imprison people/worse crimes/real world danger to greater people, instead do work release (like in The Capital/Worse of Capitalism The USA series & movies do for littering & such) & probation (like The Capital/Worse of Capitalism The USA does for those in prisons & lucky enough to get out before their time is served).
From this post, Internet article & I never known either (lucky I), thus naturally The Capital/Worse of Capitalism The USA does not offer what every single person in the world MUST be intitled to, options-choices, like at least Democratic Socialist Scandinavian countries do.

Okay, now I really have to go walk the dogs I care for on neighborhood Ave., way overdue, luckily still cool enough to do so & get to the boring, but required task of deleting E-Mails to get back under GMail’s storage limits.

You think we should be free to do whatever with Bacteria after running-out of protections against problems, because of over use of the “good” ones, COVID-19 & IT’s VARANTS & 'The Crazy Don’s Administration- Like RFK Jr.?

I was saying yes things, like bacteria, we cannot see need more rights, restrictions on our stupid manipulations of them, against our & Living Earth’s & All Living Beings’ healths.

I have more belief in the average “person”, affected by this all.

You were not sheltered & you were indoctored (SP?) into it.

You know one here, for 30-20±years, do not know the exact year/date. Plus, being sliding into Veganism or even Vegan in such areas is huge negative, believe me, I knew it, when were NOT invade (too strong, not so sure of that) by The Even Richer-Super Riche Economic Classes/Owners as neighbors, not all, but far, far &far too many that ghost us, unless need something & even more important that the county-state-country-world was a lot more hating Veganism & Animals/Beings Rights.

True, for me as well, not lived in Southern Germany for so many decades.

No way

I came to edit this reply, because I cannot leave it just with that.

I look for & want to exchange with members, with different perspectives that comes from different morality, ethnics & Etc… Thus I do look for & want moral & ethnic outrage, not to be confuse with looking for & wanting close minded, just angry-yelling at each other & in the establishment boxes & not intersectionalism (though in reality is) & such exchanges. Waste of time.

Like remon@ani.social member, at Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world feed- “Being vegan is unnatural” thread, which I really disagree with, but we spent a ton resources exchanging posts, with what I describe above.

I cannot see me needing to post about this any more,
I need to get back to deleting my E-Mails to get under GMail’s size limits.

I have seen horrible conditions the private farmed animals, not just cows-steers-calves (I stupidly have not mentioned much about them, if result in such processes for in far future selling to meat industries), for profits of slaughtering & eating. Two-examples (private farms, next door let male & female do it naturally, not selling their milk) are just summer thunder storms results in mud up to the area between cows’-steers’ ankles & knees. Hoof problems anyone, Around this area private farms with this problem, because destruction of the land, refuse to admit it happens. & I hear some & off & on cows-steers-calves coughing, sneezing & breathing with congestion.

If people lived next door to just these non-industrialized private farm, then they would eventually become Vegan.

Not easy to witness here either, unless it is jut sick private farming (concuss damage witnessing, what cannot be hidden, water damage, noise-disturbing neighbors’ sleep & smells-methane & Etc. environmental pollutions-damages & Etc…), which I have right next door.

Beaten-up is a loaded term, doing such things are not the only violence that happens & degrees of it.

As I have said before we, since I live in it to, can become conditioned, along with all other “Beings & people”, affecting the witnessing cruelty. I fight to keep myself as a member of our species.

Keep in mind all the lands (& the Beings on them) that used to be a lot better, in my case my deceased grandparents owned the property next door & had a forest of trees everywhere (one area so much, think it was indigenous & naturally occurring, failed nursery attempt)- protected their nearly untouched & formerly crappy home during worse hurricane, that spun off (on us & more) the worse tornado to hit our state. Heck, before our species dominated the land it was a natural wetland, unfortunately before corner into ever shrinking world celebrated Natural Park.

LOL, come on man,

I live in Rodeo & the animals of rodeo country & I can tell you they are beaten down, so much that they have to be hurt to get in rodeo action, that “people” loves so much. Same is applied to all animals industries, you conditioned under those situations, even if you have never interacted (directly or not) with. Same applies to the “people” around it, like the facts always say, cops-military “people” do not have highest suicidal (SP?) rates in The USA (doubt much different everywhere else that other Beings are treated this way) it is “people” in animals meat processing plants.

I cannot disagree more,

This is just thoughts to become part of the mob of the problem, with every problem, because moral-ethical outrage is the beginning, there are tons to be outraged about & it so intersectionalistic that all are affected by all problems!

See previous post,

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You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence or maybe, even cannot test for it- which totally disagree, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.

I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse than any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness. Just the scale, WOW!!!

Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/‘Global Warming’ extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.

I disagree, they come for business of bankrupting the non-Rich-Super rich Economic Classes/Owners even more than almost all are.

But to a certain extent I agree their lifestyle/way of living exposes them, some hide it & others facilitate the crimes!

There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.

I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.

Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).

Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.

1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.

By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.

Even ‘Law & Order’ series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.

Others Beings have rights!!! If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.