I’m not surprised. To my understanding, IAF was only permitting people post hardcore pornography, for example, so… they flew pretty close to the sun, there.
Obviously a pretty effective form of protest, in terms of being disruptive, but I can’t imagine a world where that doesn’t bring down the boot.
not quite they basically said they would only enforce Site wide rules and let the users vote what content they wanted. bots came in posting only fans nonsense that mods keeps out then the community picked up and went with it. I am not saying they didnt encourage it but they didnt “only permit it”. mods are a lot like many other hidden jobs from refuse collection to IT operations teams, everyone thinks they don’t do a lot until they stop working and the shit builds up.
Why should it bring down the boot? Porn is acceptable on reddit, users voted to make the sub NSFW in democratic fashion (following the wishes of Spez), NSFW content is opt-in, and moderators control the subreddits they moderate.
None of this goes against reddit rules or policies.
Because it wasn’t a porn sub before. They had, what, eleven million users? If you can’t see the problem there, I think you’re being a little disingenuous.
I can’t see the problem there as the people who own the sub get to decide how to run it per reddit’s policies. If switching to allowing NSFW images is an issue than isn’t any other rule or topic change an issue too? Can you actually describe what you think the problem is here?
Then you haven’t really thought about the situation at hand, then. Like, at all.
Imagine sending a picture to your friend. Unprompted, undiscussed. If the picture is a meme, we can both surely agree that that isn’t problematic in any way. If the picture is a dick pic, you’ve just committed sexual harassment.
Even though both were sent without explicit consent, the context of your existing relationship matters, and – in the context of you and your friend not sending sexually explicit photos to one another on the regular – the lack of consent in the case of sexual material is a significant issue.
This is essentially the problem with the scenario at hand. The people who suddenly had pornography show up on their front page did not consent to it by subscribing to a porn sub. Yes, even if it was voted on by a tiny minority of subscribers, and yes, even if the sub essentially became a porn sub – the eleven million existing subscribers didn’t consent to seeing that material.
There is, frankly, essentially no way to take an existing, large subreddit, with millions of users, and make it a porn subreddit without violating the consent of a significant chunk of those users. No matter how much the moderators want to do so.
Please don’t tell me I need to explain sexual consent to you.
The glaring oversight in your opinion is that all NSFW posts are clearly marked as NSFW, and desktop reddit along with all the mobile apps have settings requiring you to opt-in to view NSFW posts with further settings to actually display the image previews or hide them (default).
This would be akin to you and your friend both consenting to send NSFW images to one another, your friend sending a link with a NSFW tag (not even an actual image), and then you being shocked when you click it and find it’s a NSFW image.
Your whole argument is disingenuous and borders on concern trolling or pearl clutching. Reddit is full of porn and other NSFW images, so don’t act like they’re suddenly showing hard-core porn to a bunch of kids or something.
The glaring oversight in your opinion is that all NSFW posts are clearly marked as NSFW, and desktop reddit along with all the mobile apps have settings requiring you to opt-in to view NSFW posts with further settings to actually display the image previews or hide them (default).
But not all NSFW content is porn. And turning on NSFW visibility is not the same thing as being subscribed to a porn sub.
Your whole argument is disingenuous and borders on concern trolling or pearl clutching. Reddit is full of porn and other NSFW images, so don’t act like they’re suddenly showing hard-core porn to a bunch of kids or something.
Okay, let’s change the scenario a bit then. Let’s say I magically know you have NSFW content turned on, on your Reddit account. We’ve never conversed.
I then, unprompted, start sending you links to hardcore pornographic images, in your DMs. Once every half hour or so.
Is that something you think would be totally fine? Do you seriously think I wouldn’t be violating a lack of consent on your part? You’ve turned on visibility of NSFW posts, after all, you must be fine with seeing it!
Was it only hardcore porn? All I saw was 50% memes about nudity allowed and 50% basic nudity like boobs and pussy reveal by gonewild / only fans posters. Divnt even see softcore solo content let alone hardcore porn.
Except a small number that probably opted in for NSFW for getting spoilers or other non nude purposes, most already have nude content present in their feeds and use alt accounts. Going by the memes many did seem unaware of the decision to allow NSFW content, but given the site wide opt in it seems reasonable to allow.
Was it only hardcore porn? All I saw was 50% memes about nudity allowed and 50% basic nudity like boobs and pussy reveal by gonewild / only fans posters. Divnt even see softcore solo content let alone hardcore porn.
… Did you just imply that a “pussy reveal” and “basic nudity” isn’t “softcore solo [pornography]”?
Except a small number that probably opted in for NSFW for getting spoilers or other non nude purposes, most already have nude content present in their feeds and use alt accounts.
This is some high octane copium. You’re just gonna broadly assume that most users consume porn on Reddit? Like that has any relevance, even if it was true?
Going by the memes many did seem unaware of the decision to allow NSFW content, but given the site wide opt in it seems reasonable to allow.
No, it’s putting porn on people’s screens without consent.
Okay we might have different definitions. I consider masturbation and stuff as solo. Just flashing is pretty much nudity.
I didnt say majority are there for porn. I was clearly speaking of the ones who opted in for NSFW. Majority of them did consent to the possibility of encountering such content. Thats the whole point of that check mark.
The consent was the opt-in they enabled for the account.
Opting in to NSFW content is not consenting to randomly have pornography thrown at you by a subreddit that wasn’t a porn sub when you subscribed.
What the fuck, dude.
Majority of them did consent to the possibility of encountering such content. Thats the whole point of that check mark.
There’s an enormous difference between “I’m okay with content considered NSFW, like descriptions of war and so on, being shown to me” and getting porn in your main page. That check box is not an “I consent to being shown porn” button.
Looks like you are the one arguing about a rare case.
Mere mentions of war aren’t tagged NSFW and extreme imagery are relatively rare on reddit.
Like mentioned we seem to have different definitions of porn. Most of the content I saw on IAF that day were memes and nudity similar to those seen on mainstream movies. Its my responsibility to check their rating. Those aren’t classified as porn AFAIK.
I’m not surprised. To my understanding, IAF was only permitting people post hardcore pornography, for example, so… they flew pretty close to the sun, there.
Obviously a pretty effective form of protest, in terms of being disruptive, but I can’t imagine a world where that doesn’t bring down the boot.
not quite they basically said they would only enforce Site wide rules and let the users vote what content they wanted. bots came in posting only fans nonsense that mods keeps out then the community picked up and went with it. I am not saying they didnt encourage it but they didnt “only permit it”. mods are a lot like many other hidden jobs from refuse collection to IT operations teams, everyone thinks they don’t do a lot until they stop working and the shit builds up.
Why should it bring down the boot? Porn is acceptable on reddit, users voted to make the sub NSFW in democratic fashion (following the wishes of Spez), NSFW content is opt-in, and moderators control the subreddits they moderate.
None of this goes against reddit rules or policies.
Because it wasn’t a porn sub before. They had, what, eleven million users? If you can’t see the problem there, I think you’re being a little disingenuous.
I can’t see the problem there as the people who own the sub get to decide how to run it per reddit’s policies. If switching to allowing NSFW images is an issue than isn’t any other rule or topic change an issue too? Can you actually describe what you think the problem is here?
Then you haven’t really thought about the situation at hand, then. Like, at all.
Imagine sending a picture to your friend. Unprompted, undiscussed. If the picture is a meme, we can both surely agree that that isn’t problematic in any way. If the picture is a dick pic, you’ve just committed sexual harassment.
Even though both were sent without explicit consent, the context of your existing relationship matters, and – in the context of you and your friend not sending sexually explicit photos to one another on the regular – the lack of consent in the case of sexual material is a significant issue.
This is essentially the problem with the scenario at hand. The people who suddenly had pornography show up on their front page did not consent to it by subscribing to a porn sub. Yes, even if it was voted on by a tiny minority of subscribers, and yes, even if the sub essentially became a porn sub – the eleven million existing subscribers didn’t consent to seeing that material.
There is, frankly, essentially no way to take an existing, large subreddit, with millions of users, and make it a porn subreddit without violating the consent of a significant chunk of those users. No matter how much the moderators want to do so.
Please don’t tell me I need to explain sexual consent to you.
The glaring oversight in your opinion is that all NSFW posts are clearly marked as NSFW, and desktop reddit along with all the mobile apps have settings requiring you to opt-in to view NSFW posts with further settings to actually display the image previews or hide them (default).
This would be akin to you and your friend both consenting to send NSFW images to one another, your friend sending a link with a NSFW tag (not even an actual image), and then you being shocked when you click it and find it’s a NSFW image.
Your whole argument is disingenuous and borders on concern trolling or pearl clutching. Reddit is full of porn and other NSFW images, so don’t act like they’re suddenly showing hard-core porn to a bunch of kids or something.
But not all NSFW content is porn. And turning on NSFW visibility is not the same thing as being subscribed to a porn sub.
Okay, let’s change the scenario a bit then. Let’s say I magically know you have NSFW content turned on, on your Reddit account. We’ve never conversed.
I then, unprompted, start sending you links to hardcore pornographic images, in your DMs. Once every half hour or so.
Is that something you think would be totally fine? Do you seriously think I wouldn’t be violating a lack of consent on your part? You’ve turned on visibility of NSFW posts, after all, you must be fine with seeing it!
Was it only hardcore porn? All I saw was 50% memes about nudity allowed and 50% basic nudity like boobs and pussy reveal by gonewild / only fans posters. Divnt even see softcore solo content let alone hardcore porn.
Except a small number that probably opted in for NSFW for getting spoilers or other non nude purposes, most already have nude content present in their feeds and use alt accounts. Going by the memes many did seem unaware of the decision to allow NSFW content, but given the site wide opt in it seems reasonable to allow.
… Did you just imply that a “pussy reveal” and “basic nudity” isn’t “softcore solo [pornography]”?
This is some high octane copium. You’re just gonna broadly assume that most users consume porn on Reddit? Like that has any relevance, even if it was true?
No, it’s putting porn on people’s screens without consent.
Okay we might have different definitions. I consider masturbation and stuff as solo. Just flashing is pretty much nudity.
I didnt say majority are there for porn. I was clearly speaking of the ones who opted in for NSFW. Majority of them did consent to the possibility of encountering such content. Thats the whole point of that check mark.
The consent was the opt-in they enabled for the account.
Opting in to NSFW content is not consenting to randomly have pornography thrown at you by a subreddit that wasn’t a porn sub when you subscribed.
What the fuck, dude.
There’s an enormous difference between “I’m okay with content considered NSFW, like descriptions of war and so on, being shown to me” and getting porn in your main page. That check box is not an “I consent to being shown porn” button.
Looks like you are the one arguing about a rare case.
Mere mentions of war aren’t tagged NSFW and extreme imagery are relatively rare on reddit.
Like mentioned we seem to have different definitions of porn. Most of the content I saw on IAF that day were memes and nudity similar to those seen on mainstream movies. Its my responsibility to check their rating. Those aren’t classified as porn AFAIK.